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   From: cuddly@mindless.com   
      
   On 9/16/2016 7:57 AM, Nobody in Particular wrote:   
   > On 9/15/2016 10:05 PM, liaM wrote:   
   >> On 9/16/2016 6:31 AM, Nobody in Particular wrote:   
   >>> On 9/15/2016 4:07 PM, noname wrote:   
   >>>> {:-])))  wrote:   
   >>>>> Ummmmmmm wrote:   
   >>>>>> {:-]))) wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> To think there is what is called the one true reality   
   >>>>>>> independent of all viewers might be called a   
   >>>>>>> sort of hypothetical situation.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Agreed. To 'think' that there is one true reality independent of all   
   >>>>>> viewers is a hypothetical situation.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> On the other hand, to *know* the one true reality, is to know that   
   >>>>>> it's   
   >>>>>> the same for everyone.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Two people will experience any   
   >>>>> so-called event, or, reality, different.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Hence, there is no, "same" for everyone.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You keep making this same logic error.  Yes, everybody experiences   
   >>>> things   
   >>>> differently, but what they are experiencing is the same actual   
   >>>> universe,   
   >>>> which doesn't care how many people experience it in how many ways,   
   >>>> it is   
   >>>> simply what it is.   
   >>>   
   >>> One of my all-time favorite quotes is by the quantum physicist Bernard   
   >>> d'Espagnat, the teacher of Alain Aspect (of the famous Aspect   
   >>> Experiment):   
   >>> "The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is   
   >>> independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with   
   >>> quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment."   
   >>> -- Bernard d'Espagnat   
   >>>   
   >>> You appear to take the opposing view.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> What facts ?  What experiments ?   
   >   
   > Facts: Objects do not exist independently from being observed.   
   >   
   > Experiments: Literally thousands and thousands of experiments in many   
   > labs all over the world. Just google "Bell's theorem experiments" and/or   
   > "EPR experiments".   
   >   
   >   
      
      
   Thanks.   
      
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