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   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   >Tang wrote:   
   >   
   >> Apophasis is famous as a trope (or nostrum) in religion   
   >> and mental culture. Essentially it denies something of   
   >> something, as in: awakening is beyond language and   
   >> thought. Well-known examples abound: those who talk   
   >> don't know, those who know don't talk, the Way that can   
   >> be talked is not the eternal way, what and what they   
   >> think it it is otherwise.   
      
   Neti-neti is a way,   
   alongside tat-vam-asi.   
      
   In the Zz is mentioned goblet words, which go without saying.   
      
   "With these goblet words that come forth day after day, I harmonize   
   all things in the Heavenly Equality, leave them to their endless   
   changes, and so live out my years. As long as I do not say anything   
   about them, they are a unity. But the unity and what I say about it   
   have ceased to be a unity; what I say and the unity have ceased to be   
   a unity. Therefore I say, we must have no-words! With words that are   
   no-words, you may speak all your life long and you will never have   
   said anything. Or you may go through your whole life without speaking   
   them, in which case you will never have stopped speaking."   
      
   - Watson's version   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)