XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: nottony.nokingsbury@ngmail.com   
      
   On 16/09/2016 9:33 AM, {:-]))) wrote:   
   > liaM wrote:   
   >> {:-]))) wrote:   
   >>>> Ummmmmmm wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> If we have only one life - surely we have to aim for the highest?   
   >>>>> Otherwise we let ourselves down.   
   >>>   
   >>> ...   
   >>> Realizing a view of how nothing matters,   
   >>> it doesn't matter how high or less than highest high one aims.   
   >>>   
   >>> When it is known there is no ultimate point nor purpose, one is free.   
   >>>   
   >>> Being entirely free of, "having to aim"   
   >>> one is free indeed.   
   >>>   
   >>> Being liberated can be totally liberating.   
   >>>   
   >>> Words, such as, enlightenment, freedom, liberation, et al   
   >>> might mean something, or other, given a deep ending.   
   >>>   
   >>> Knowing is a part of speech as it wells.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Very true. The dharma is not something to be dangling idle on   
   >> newsgroups.  It's something to seek to complete.  Buddhism is   
   >> pro-active. Leave the fucking burning house.  Get to understanding   
   >> what the causes and antidote to suffering.  Make samsara obsolete.   
   >> And go on to harder things to do in life.  Write your   
   >> book.  Go door to door for the Dems or for Bernie.  Paint, make music,   
   >> learn to make a great omelette.   
   >   
   > To be a human being can be to simply be.   
   > One does not need to do anything. No wei is the Way.   
   > Even to be is not a need. So say Wu to wei.   
   >   
   > With Taoism in mind, there is always something higher   
   > and always something lower. To reach the highest high   
   > reminds me of trying to be the most yang.   
   >   
   > If anything, Taoism would suggest the opposite.   
   > Water seeks its own level as rivers flow to the sea.   
   > Seeking less and less and allowing all things to be   
   > one might eventually arrive at wu-wei.   
   >   
   > It don't get much more downhill than that.   
   >   
   > I don't know if Ummmmmmm is familiar with the TTC.   
      
   Yes I am. I've read at least 6 different English translations. Most   
   completely different from each other.   
   For those who haven't had actual experience of the state of mind in   
   which the Tao becomes a luminously self-evident presence, it can be a   
   source of optimism.   
      
   But when the ancient sage saws off the branch of the tree he's sitting on -   
      
   "Those who speak do not know, those who know do not speak"   
      
   - I have to laugh.What sort of person is speaking?   
      
   To read the TTC as a handbook of enlightenment is as sensible as using a   
   photograph of the sun to light up a dark cellar. The photograph may   
   remind you that the sun exists, or used to exist. It doesn't help you   
   read the labels on the wine.   
   >   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)