XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   Ummmmmmm wrote:   
   > {:-]))) wrote:   
   >> liaM wrote:   
   >>> {:-]))) wrote:   
   >>>>> Ummmmmmm wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> If we have only one life - surely we have to aim for the highest?   
   >>>>>> Otherwise we let ourselves down.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ...   
   >>>> Realizing a view of how nothing matters,   
   >>>> it doesn't matter how high or less than highest high one aims.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> When it is known there is no ultimate point nor purpose, one is free.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Being entirely free of, "having to aim"   
   >>>> one is free indeed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Being liberated can be totally liberating.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Words, such as, enlightenment, freedom, liberation, et al   
   >>>> might mean something, or other, given a deep ending.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Knowing is a part of speech as it wells.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Very true. The dharma is not something to be dangling idle on   
   >>> newsgroups.  It's something to seek to complete.  Buddhism is   
   >>> pro-active. Leave the fucking burning house.  Get to understanding   
   >>> what the causes and antidote to suffering.  Make samsara obsolete.   
   >>> And go on to harder things to do in life.  Write your   
   >>> book.  Go door to door for the Dems or for Bernie.  Paint, make music,   
   >>> learn to make a great omelette.   
   >>   
   >> To be a human being can be to simply be.   
   >> One does not need to do anything. No wei is the Way.   
   >> Even to be is not a need. So say Wu to wei.   
   >>   
   >> With Taoism in mind, there is always something higher   
   >> and always something lower. To reach the highest high   
   >> reminds me of trying to be the most yang.   
   >>   
   >> If anything, Taoism would suggest the opposite.   
   >> Water seeks its own level as rivers flow to the sea.   
   >> Seeking less and less and allowing all things to be   
   >> one might eventually arrive at wu-wei.   
   >>   
   >> It don't get much more downhill than that.   
   >>   
   >> I don't know if Ummmmmmm is familiar with the TTC.   
   >   
   >Yes I am. I've read at least 6 different English translations. Most   
   >completely different from each other.   
   >For those who haven't had actual experience of the state of mind in   
   >which the Tao becomes a luminously self-evident presence, it can be a   
   >source of optimism.   
   >   
   >But when the ancient sage saws off the branch of the tree he's sitting on -   
   >   
   >"Those who speak do not know, those who know do not speak"   
   >   
   >- I have to laugh.What sort of person is speaking?   
      
   It could be you. It could be me. It was Zz, once, up on a time.   
      
   The sort who knows how to speak of it is to play as two play.   
      
   The sorts who know how to ping can evoke a pong.   
      
   The net of the table is vast, not everything makes it over the net.   
      
   >To read the TTC as a handbook of enlightenment is as sensible as using a   
   >photograph of the sun to light up a dark cellar. The photograph may   
   >remind you that the sun exists, or used to exist. It doesn't help you   
   >read the labels on the wine.   
      
   Drinking wine one time, one has tasted wine.   
   To go back and drink wine a second time might be what some sorts do.   
      
   Some people who love wine might swim in it.   
   Yet others would say wine is for drinking.   
   And not just any wine will suffice.   
      
   Another may call some people snobs.   
   Or see them as being in such a the light of day or at night.   
      
   >>>>>> If we have only one life - surely we have to aim for the highest?   
   >>>>>> Otherwise we let ourselves down.   
      
   To suppose there is a we, and to be sure to aim   
   for the best bottle of wine might be what some do.   
      
   Beer drinkers might be of a different sort, who know,   
   not all beer tastes the same, and yet, most any will do   
   when thirsty for beer.   
      
   I prefer the dark, the stouts,   
   yet I drink them all from time to time.   
      
   Kinda puts me in mind of Caguama, this morning.   
   Maybe after sunrise, after the store opens.   
   There could be one in front of me.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)