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From: invalid@invalid.invalid
{:-]))) wrote:
> noname wrote:
>> Nobody in Particular wrote:
>>> On 10/5/2016 2:13 AM, noname wrote:
>>>> Nobody in Particular wrote:
>>>>> On 10/4/2016 4:13 PM, noname wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure why the hell any immigrant would
>>>>>> want to come to these particular Untied States. Can you imagine landing
>>>>>> here, not speaking a word of English, trying to find a job, even a
place to
>>>>>> live, with no money to start with, nothing to pay the landlord so you
can
>>>>>> camp out and look for a job available to someone to whom the entire
culture
>>>>>> is alien? The cops may not use profiling but landlords sure do, and if
>>>>>> they need an excuse they can just rub your nose in your credit report.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting caricature; i imagine you have only have illegal Mexicans in
>>>>> mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't speak "a word of English", have no money, no place to stay,
>>>>> and no job, how could you possibly get an immigrant visa?
>>>>
>>>> Strictly cash up front at the visa store, huh?
>>>>
>>>>> I came here speaking passable English, having had several years of in in
>>>>> high-school, plus having crammed for it before setting out. I had some
>>>>> money ($250), a place to live (my aunt), found a job right away,
>>>>
>>>> When you have a free place to stay, any job will do.
>>>>
>>>> Of course if you don't, things are different.
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't illegal Mexicans that I had in mind. They pretty much always
>>>> have people here they can live with, and when you have a free place to
>>>> stay, any job is good enough.
>>>
>>> What i'm trying to say is that your immigrant "landing here, not
>>> speaking a word of English, trying to find a job, even a place to live,
>>> with no money to start with, nothing to pay the landlord so you can camp
>>> out and look for a job available to someone to whom the entire culture
>>> is alien" simply does not exist, unless he's an illegal. You are only
>>> let in if you can show that you don't have those problems.
>>> That is, unless you're a refugee, but those have special programs to
>>> help them overcome those problems.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I've been in the situation described except for speaking English and having
>> grown up here. Life is strange when you're a stranger.
>
> And yet, here you are, now. Bootstraps work at times.
> One is where one finds one's self, and deals with things.
>
> Immigrants don't want to be in the position you got yourself into.
> You landed in dumpsters diving via choices you made and
> it may appear you blame society and whine about it.
>
> Immigrants could see a bad day dumpster diving as better
> than a good day where they were when they arrive in the States
> because there is more potential, as your situation might prove.
>
> After reaching the bottom of the trash barrel, skid row, etc.,
> some people don't stay there and wallow nor blame the system.
> They climb out and look for another barrel with better garbage.
>
> When they get to the top of the heap, things may appear to be
> other than they thought it would. Maybe better, or worse.
> Perhaps they find that material success means nothing.
> Or that it means everything. Experiences vary.
>
I'm not at all sure that experiences do vary. It may be that the same
experience is described in many different ways, by those who have
experienced it, and their descriptions seem even more different to those
who have not.
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