XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   noname wrote:   
   > Tang wrote:   
   >   
   >> The salvific state,   
   >> called Nirvana or whatever, scarcely fosters survival and,   
   >> not even going that far, society.   
   >   
   >The ambiguity of the word "fosters" is quite useful, since survival is   
   >somebody else's idea, someone who made up the idea that death is   
   >unavoidable.   
      
   I recently read of a guy who, before he could live,   
   needed to face death, go through fear, and enter Nirvana.   
      
   Then, having entered Nirvana, he fixed the generator.   
   Whereupon he and his wife lived happily ever after.   
      
   > Small children don't naturally think about survival, they   
   >have to be scared into it, at least that is how it appears to me.   
   >Indoctrination is a powerful tool, unfortunately it seems not to have had a   
   >successful history yet, because it has always been applied toward achieving   
   >a specific goal, usually a political one rather than anything beneficial.   
   >Now, what happens if we indoctrinate our children to resist indoctrination?   
   > I've some experience with that one, having been brought up that way, and   
   >having raised my own children that way.   
      
   Can they fix things that break   
   or break things that aren't broken?   
      
   If the world, or everything under the sun, tian xia, is shen,   
   spiritual if not sacred, and to try and change it breaks it   
   into 10k-pieces, does the cat that hates meeces enter Nirvana?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)