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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   {:-])))  wrote:   
   > noname wrote:   
   >> Tang wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> The salvific state,   
   >>> called Nirvana or whatever, scarcely fosters survival and,   
   >>> not even going that far, society.   
   >>   
   >> The ambiguity of the word "fosters" is quite useful, since survival is   
   >> somebody else's idea, someone who made up the idea that death is   
   >> unavoidable.   
   >   
   > I recently read of a guy who, before he could live,   
   > needed to face death, go through fear, and enter Nirvana.   
   >   
   > Then, having entered Nirvana, he fixed the generator.   
   > Whereupon he and his wife lived happily ever after.   
      
   Don't count your eggs before you have chickens.   
      
   >   
   >> Small children don't naturally think about survival, they   
   >> have to be scared into it, at least that is how it appears to me.   
   >> Indoctrination is a powerful tool, unfortunately it seems not to have had a   
   >> successful history yet, because it has always been applied toward achieving   
   >> a specific goal, usually a political one rather than anything beneficial.   
   >> Now, what happens if we indoctrinate our children to resist indoctrination?   
   >> I've some experience with that one, having been brought up that way, and   
   >> having raised my own children that way.   
   >   
   > Can they fix things that break   
   > or break things that aren't broken?   
      
   What, my kids?  They do both, some do one more than another does another.   
   OTOH don't waste your time trying to indoctrinate them.   
      
   >   
   > If the world, or everything under the sun, tian xia, is shen,   
   > spiritual if not sacred, and to try and change it breaks it   
   > into 10k-pieces, does the cat that hates meeces enter Nirvana?   
   >   
      
   I think cats do not hate mice any more than they hate birds.  I think the   
   reason cats "play" with their food is to allow dinner time to make its   
   peace, and before they'll do that it needs to be clear that it's time for   
   dinner and they're it.  They're not "torturing" dinner because they hate   
   it, they get its attention and 'splain to dinner that it's dinnertime and   
   the bell is ringing, wait a bit while dinner gets ready, and then chow   
   down.   
      
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