XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: nottony.nokingsbury@ngmail.com   
      
   On 9/10/2016 1:17 AM, {:-]))) wrote:   
   > Ummmmmmm wrote:   
      
   > If you want to talk with me, personally, you might not assume   
   > whatever it is you are assuming about me.   
   >   
   > I don't think you have any secret that I don't.   
   >   
   > What gave you that impression?   
      
   You did.   
      
   Chuang Tzu had a secret too."Better to abandon disputation and seek the   
   True Light" (ii. 3)   
      
   My secret is, that the true light still shines. That it is in you. That   
   it can be seen. It's not a 3000 year old idea, it's a present, actual fact.   
   That seeing it brings enlightenment. Enables one to grasp the pivot, the   
   centre of the wheel.The Presence in the present.   
      
   Although I have said it out loud, this will remain a secret. You will   
   demand to know "How do I know you don't have it?"   
      
   Chuang Tzu had an answer to that one too.   
      
   "The men of old took what they really knew   
     With them to the grave   
     And so what you read in Chuang Tzu   
     Is just the dirt he left behind him" (xii, 10)   
      
   So how do I know that you don't have it?   
   Actually, I know that you do.   
      
   Truth is so close to you - Lao & Chang are so far away.   
   Far away, and laughing.   
   But not at you, of course - at me. For being so stupid.   
      
   	   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)