XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   Ummmmmmm wrote:   
      
   >Interesting, isn't it, how desperate both you and Tang are to find ways   
   >of convincing yourselves that what I say can't possibly be true.   
      
   One thing you say that I don't accept   
   is your assertion that only a living Master can enlighten others.   
      
   >I wonder why?   
      
   Why you see me and Tang as being desperate?   
      
   I'd suggest that's a projection on your part.   
      
   Neither Tang nor I are desperate.   
   I can assure you of that.   
      
   We are both very light-hearted, full of joy,   
   and like to fly kites, walk on cakes, in parks, and   
   quote stuff we find to be amusing to us.   
      
   >Is it too simple?   
      
   That you see us as being desperate?   
   I think it's pretty simple.   
      
   I'm not sure how to explain it to you,   
   why you see us as being desperate, such as you do.   
      
   >Or too logical? That we should all be born with a source of wisdom,   
   >clarity, and happiness inside of us?   
      
   We should all be born that way.   
   I can agree with that kind of a wishful thinking.   
      
   We might hold those truths to be self-evident.   
      
   That's not a problem for some who have tasted the wine.   
   That we, who have drank from that cup, are born with it.   
   We have been reborn with it. And continue to enjoy it.   
      
   Tang calls it grace.   
      
   I call him on whether it's Taoism,   
   because I like to quibble over meanings of words.   
      
   Many are able to see the same Light that shines   
   out of all eyes as being the same as all others.   
      
   Yet, for you, this appears to be impossible.   
      
   Unless and until something sparks it inside you,   
   unless and until it cllicks in, and you can sync with it,   
   you won't be able to and can't see it in others.   
      
   You see me and Tang and others as not having it.   
      
   What little light you see shining out from me   
   is not enough to light your candle.   
      
   I base that on various words you wrote.   
   It's the impression you give. It's your present.   
      
   You seem to think we don't see our own face in a mirror.   
   That, if we haven't named out living Master, we can't.   
      
   Or if one never had a living Master, from a lineage,   
   of living Masters that go all the way back   
   in a long line of dead living Masters,   
   it just can't happen.   
      
   >Perhaps that would imply too much care and kindness in whatever created   
   >us. A Big Bang with a compassionate heart at its core.   
      
   Such a compassionate Big Bang allows for trees and stones to speak.   
      
   Yet, now, right now, to sync with that Tao, you have insisted   
   that the Big Bang has somehow lost its power.   
      
   And only some other real live person has the key   
   to unlock the secret of the Big Bang's compassion.   
      
   As if the arm of the Big Bang isn't long enough now.   
      
   Why you cling to that is something you might explore,   
   for yourself, or with your very own living Master,   
   assuming she is still around for you to consult with.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)