XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: nottony.nokingsbury@ngmail.com   
      
   On 12/10/2016 4:21 AM, {:-]))) wrote:   
   > Ummmmmmm wrote:   
   >   
   >> Interesting, isn't it, how desperate both you and Tang are to find ways   
   >> of convincing yourselves that what I say can't possibly be true.   
   >   
   > One thing you say that I don't accept   
   > is your assertion that only a living Master can enlighten others.   
   >   
   >> I wonder why?   
   >   
   > Why you see me and Tang as being desperate?   
   >   
   > I'd suggest that's a projection on your part.   
   >   
   > Neither Tang nor I are desperate.   
   > I can assure you of that.   
   >   
   > We are both very light-hearted, full of joy,   
   > and like to fly kites, walk on cakes, in parks, and   
   > quote stuff we find to be amusing to us.   
   >   
   >> Is it too simple?   
   >   
   > That you see us as being desperate?   
   > I think it's pretty simple.   
   >   
   > I'm not sure how to explain it to you,   
   > why you see us as being desperate, such as you do.   
   >   
   >> Or too logical? That we should all be born with a source of wisdom,   
   >> clarity, and happiness inside of us?   
   >   
   > We should all be born that way.   
   > I can agree with that kind of a wishful thinking.   
      
   That's the difference between us. What to you is 'wishful thinking', to   
   me is a simple fact. I know that in this respect I'm no different from   
   anyone else. We're all born with everything we need in order to be   
   happy, balanced, at ease in the world.   
   Society knocks us off balance, so we'll submit to being slaves & cogs in   
   the machine.   
   The Master offers us a chance to reconnect with our inner gyroscope.   
      
   >   
   > We might hold those truths to be self-evident.   
   >   
   > That's not a problem for some who have tasted the wine.   
   > That we, who have drank from that cup, are born with it.   
   > We have been reborn with it. And continue to enjoy it.   
   >   
   > Tang calls it grace.   
   >   
   > I call him on whether it's Taoism,   
   > because I like to quibble over meanings of words.   
   >   
   > Many are able to see the same Light that shines   
   > out of all eyes as being the same as all others.   
   >   
   > Yet, for you, this appears to be impossible.   
   >   
   > Unless and until something sparks it inside you,   
   > unless and until it cllicks in, and you can sync with it,   
   > you won't be able to and can't see it in others.   
   >   
   > You see me and Tang and others as not having it.   
   >   
   > What little light you see shining out from me   
   > is not enough to light your candle.   
   >   
   > I base that on various words you wrote.   
   > It's the impression you give. It's your present.   
   >   
   > You seem to think we don't see our own face in a mirror.   
   > That, if we haven't named out living Master, we can't.   
      
   I haven't named my Master. What have names got to do with it?   
      
   >   
   > Or if one never had a living Master, from a lineage,   
   > of living Masters that go all the way back   
   > in a long line of dead living Masters,   
   > it just can't happen.   
      
   Of course it can happen. Tang is an enlightened Master delivering mental   
   culture in the form of sutras to the great Unwashed. They are originally   
   written in Latin, and then translated into French, and they provide   
   enlightenment to anyone who can go back in time to Rome in the first   
   century AD, and Paris in the 18th century.   
      
   You are a Taoist Sage - every poem you write declares it. I'm sure   
   they're illuminating to everyone who can understand them.   
      
   I'm just pointing out that there may be another, possibly simpler, way.   
   One that doesn't require an understanding of foreign languages, or a   
   knowledge of ancient history, or the ability to memorize sacred texts.   
      
   >   
   >> Perhaps that would imply too much care and kindness in whatever created   
   >> us. A Big Bang with a compassionate heart at its core.   
   >   
   > Such a compassionate Big Bang allows for trees and stones to speak.   
   >   
   > Yet, now, right now, to sync with that Tao, you have insisted   
   > that the Big Bang has somehow lost its power.   
      
   Not at all. The Big Bang has thrown up human consciousness powerful   
   enough to understand the big bang. It also periodically throws up humans   
   who have the special knack of recalibrating human consciousness.   
   Not just a reboot. Reformat & restore to factory defaults.   
   Get rid of the accumulated crud.   
      
   While they're alive, this is what they do. After they're dead people   
   collect what they remember of their 'sayings', codify them and call them   
   "The Words of God", and start up a new religion which slowly congeals   
   into more accumulated crud.   
      
   >   
   > And only some other real live person has the key   
   > to unlock the secret of the Big Bang's compassion.   
   >   
   > As if the arm of the Big Bang isn't long enough now.   
   >   
   > Why you cling to that is something you might explore,   
   > for yourself, or with your very own living Master,   
   > assuming she is still around for you to consult with.   
   >   
      
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