XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   Ummmmmmm wrote:   
   > {:-]))) wrote:   
   >> Ummmmmmm wrote:   
   >>> {:-]))) wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> You seem to think we don't see our own face in a mirror.   
   >>>> That, if we haven't named out living Master, we can't.   
   >>>   
   >>> I haven't named my Master. What have names got to do with it?   
   >>   
   >> Or the word, out, for that matter.   
   >>   
   >> You've asked people if they've ever encountered a living Master.   
   >> I am one of those people whom you asked.   
   >>   
   >> If they have not found one out,   
   >> then they are doomed.   
   >   
   >I have never used the word 'doomed'   
      
   And that is beside the point, is it not?   
      
   I'll ask the same question in another fashion.   
      
   If someone does not fine a living Master,   
   can that person ever hope to unlock the secret place,   
   that you Know for a fact exists inside everyone?   
      
   Do those words mean anything to you?   
      
   Is that the position you hold?   
      
   >> Do you still hold to that position?   
   >>   
   >> Only a living Master, physically alive, touching someone,   
   >> in the flesh, can open some chakra in a so-called individual?   
   >   
   >I've never used the word "chakra"   
      
   And that is the beside the point, isn't it.   
      
   Would you be able to see the point of the question   
   if it were phrased using some other words?   
      
   Is it too difficult a question for you to answer at this time?   
      
   Which reminds me of the word, desperate.   
   I'd wanted to mention that to dagnative, but, gosh golly,   
   I'd forgotten what it was. I knew it started with a d.   
   At least, I thought I'd known it did.   
      
   >A weird technique of conversation you have - you make up things i never   
   >said, and then argue against them as if I'm likely to defend them.   
      
   If you would like, you can replace the words   
   so that they are the words you would use.   
      
   Replace the word, chakra, with, "secret place"   
      
   Or maybe, "secret place inside of you that only a living Master   
   has the key to, and without which it cannot be opened,"   
   if those words sound better to you.   
      
   You might have said, "secret place in the heart"   
   but I don't recall your exact words.   
      
   As if your exact words are extremely important, to you,   
   since all words point to the same thing, as you have said.   
      
   >You're having a conversation with yourself.   
      
   I thought you were having a conversation with me,   
   and we were speaking generally about all people   
   as Tao is the sync of now, when were in the kitchen.   
      
   >Isn't this what is meant by 'straw dogs'?   
      
   Straw dogs, if any of your six TTCs use the phrase   
   are how Heaven and Earth treat everything.   
      
   And how the Sage treates some, if not all, people.   
      
   I can look up the passage for you, if you would like.   
      
   But, since it's in an old dead book, you might, Know,   
   how it can't possibly shed any light.   
      
   >> We can talk epistemology if you'd like to.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)