XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   noname wrote:   
   > {:-]))) wrote:   
   >> noname wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> A true Master   
   >>> would not get frazzled enough to reply as he did.   
   >>   
   >> He wasn't frazzled at all.   
   >>   
   >> He was restoring an old car and needed a part for it.   
   >> I was being my asshole self and picking at words, as usual.   
   >>   
   >> We've known each other for over 50 years.   
   >   
   >Sounds like you had a private vocabulary.  You got slapped.  Was the next   
   >thing he told you to go fetch the part?   
      
   I didn't get slapped. And yet, you could say I did.   
   You could say it because you did say it.   
   And so, you could and you did.   
      
   I was joking around and he knew it.   
      
   We did used to have slap-fights.   
   The kind where each knuckle-head puts out his hands,   
   either palms together, out in front, or, in another version,   
   with palms facing down. But that's another story.   
      
   In this story,   
   the next thing was we kept on going   
   where ever it was we were going. I recall being on the 210,   
   heading northeast out of Pasadena. That's about it.   
   A round 30 years ago.   
      
   >> What's your impression of a true Master?   
   >   
   >I don't always know what people mean by the words they use.   
      
   That's very apparent in this post all by itself.   
   And the one in this thread that was before that one.   
      
   > There are   
   >levels of mastery.  The sage is a master when he is a sage.  The Sage is   
   >always a sage and thus a Master.  It's a nit.   
   >   
   >> Was your father one in any Way?   
   >   
   >He probably never heard the word "Tao" or the phrase "mental-culture".   
   >OTOH was a pretty fair mechanic.   
      
   That's not what I'm referring to.   
      
   As I recall something you'd said, you'd watched him work.   
   And things would, in a sort of Mysterious Way, work out.   
      
   If he needed something, a thing would appear.   
      
   Some Ting along that Order of how things, occur.   
      
   >> Mine was, in some ways.   
   >>   
   >> From what I've gathered of people who have gurus,   
   >> after some initial, OMG this person is God, wears off,   
   >> it turns out the guru is a normal person, aside from   
   >> various siddhis that manifest during the course   
   >> of showing the initiate, or student, etc., how   
   >> things are at various levels of reality.   
   >>   
   >> Ram Dass, once again, can be an example of that,   
   >> as he told his tale long ago, if you're familiar with him/it.   
   >>   
   >   
   >I've been here now for a time.   
   >   
   >The wheelright's son probably thought he was a dork.  Are there stories of   
   >the wheelright's son once he'd become a man?   
      
   Just to be a picky knitter, the wheelwright's rote was all there was.   
      
   Written in the wrights of the rungs.   
      
   Wooden wants.   
   Fundamentals at times can be of grate import.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)