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   "Ned Ludd" wrote in message   
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   "Tang Huyen" wrote in message   
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   > On 10/13/2016 9:18 AM, {:-]))) wrote:   
   >   
   >> Are you saying you don't want a Platonic relationship with dagnabit?   
   >>   
   >> Maybe I'm not quite understanding your point here.   
   >   
   > I have never known her anywhere else than on these boards. No   
   > e-mail, nothing in private. Below is a (somewhat chaotic) sample   
   > of her posts, from 2004, when she posted under the nym Dominic.   
   > Classic Jen stuff. I bow low to her profound insight. Many   
   > apologies to her for not having "got" her point back then, even   
   > intellectually alone.   
   >   
   > < clown acts in search of approval from cathode ray   
   > tubes, should i be expected to inflate their balloons   
   > for them?   
   >   
   > i can already see that that flower on your lapel simply   
   > squirts water.>>   
   >   
   > < triumvirate is so abyssmally infinitesimal in the cosmic chaotic   
   > scheme of things that any actions towards any type of discipline,   
   > philosophy or practice are going to have such a minute effect on   
   > a monumentally worthless insignificant insubstantial   
   > phenomenality that all efforts in this direction are infinitely   
   > hilarious and a complete waste of phenomenal time. there is no   
   > need to be or do anything. just be. being is utterly whole perfect   
   > and complete just as it is.>>   
   >   
   > < waste a lot of breath in propogating a system of wordmongered   
   > self disciplines and self aggrandizements   
   >   
   > how you can sit there and say that there should be no concern   
   > for self and the things of self and then wordstorm thousands of   
   > posts with quote after quote about the eightfold noble path is   
   > the height of contradiction hypocrisy and incongruency   
   >   
   > but that can be fun too>>   
   >   
   > < that's practicing it and what type of advantage can be said to   
   > effulge and to whom?   
   >   
   > the principles at play here, the consciousness and the   
   > energies which play out into multitudinous personalities and   
   > idiosyncracies are already perfect in their base design owing   
   > to the notion that they are a pale reflection of that one true   
   > prior most principle which is perfect whole and complete   
   > within itself, the ding an sich, the thing in and of itself, and   
   > nothing needs to be done to change it or to try to be something   
   > other than what you already are right now. that which is the   
   > creative principle cannot be changed anyway.   
   >   
   > the only thing that you could ever change is the false self, that   
   > which you identify yourself as, the body-mind-personality. why   
   > bother with all the practices and disciplines to alter something   
   > that is false and slippery to begin with? you only shift its   
   > falseness and slipperiness to a different channel.>>   
   >   
   > < simply be. stop trying to intellectualize that which is completely   
   > useless to begin with   
   > [snip]   
   > don't even begin to start with. you can't begin again if you   
   > never worry about starting anything up at all knowing full well   
   > that everything but everything is completely useless worthless   
   > and insignificant to begin with and all practices show what a   
   > fool one is for even trying to bring significance to utter   
   > insignificance.>>   
   >   
   > < heaven from hell   
   > blue skies from pain   
   > can you tell a green field   
   > from a cold steel rail   
   > a smile from a veil   
   > do you think you can tell   
   >   
   > and did they get you to trade   
   > your heroes for ghosts   
   > hot ashes for trees   
   > hot air for a cool breeze   
   > cold comfort for charge   
   > and did you exchange   
   > a walk on part in the war   
   > for a lead roll in a cage   
   >   
   > how i wish, how i wish you were here   
   > we're just two lost souls swimmin' in a fish bowl year after year,   
   > running over the same old ground what have we found, the   
   > same old fears wish you were here>>   
   >   
   > < order to be actualized and substantiated as such?   
   >   
   > are you enlightened? if not, second hand advice like this might   
   > actually foster a reverse effect and keep you from an ultimate   
   > expansion of your horizon of awareness. buddha appeared to   
   > be teaching for his day and the particular person or people   
   > sitting in front of him at the time. he also said that his words   
   > needed to be dropped ultimately, the story of the raft, and   
   > nisargadatta maharaj said the same thing, that his disciples   
   > would ultimately need to let go of his teachings since his words   
   > were like all other words, simply concepts in a conceptual   
   > realm where what he was attempting to describe was beyond   
   > or prior to words and concepts in a type of metanoesis d   
   > esignation, or beyond wisdom, as such.   
   > absolute reasoning defies logic. absolute reasoning defies   
   > reason.>>   
   >   
   > < might like to shimmer in resonant luminosity to the tune of   
   > changing what i appear to be into what i think i should appear   
   > to be, none of it, conceptual or cognizable, will be to any   
   > advantage except to that resonant luminosity and its survival   
   > agenda and strategy   
   >   
   > beneath it all, the subtle implicate order is perfect whole and   
   > complete in and of itself and needs no relative renditionalities   
   > to secure its place in the survival matrix it has identified with.   
   >   
   > there is nothing that you need to become or change yourself   
   > into. all that is needed is to recognize that you are not this   
   > body or its subsequent mind and personality and with this   
   > understanding comes a total freedom that is beyond   
   > description because this state is prior to designations, words   
   > and concepts.   
   >   
   > go right now to zero concepts. stay there.>>   
   >   
   > < bleed stream that fractals its depressurized enharmonic line   
   > fields to the tune of sineuous-synchrotropic vibratility which is   
   > behind itself looking into itself and fooling itself into thinking it   
   > is elsewise than what it really is.   
   >   
      
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