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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   {:-])))  wrote:   
   > noname commented:   
   >> Ummmmmmm wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> I've read at least 6 different English translations. Most   
   >>> completely different from each other.   
   >>> For those who haven't had actual experience of the state of mind in   
   >>> which the Tao becomes a luminously self-evident presence, it can be a   
   >>> source of optimism.   
   >>   
   >> Your "luminously self-evident presence" sounds like swamp-gas.   
   >   
   > The ways in which some of the people   
   > some of the time articulate their cogitos often don't smell pretty.   
   >   
   > What appears to me to be self-evident at present,   
   > that Ummmmmmm was speaking of his own experiences,   
   > how, while perhaps being a source of optimism, he was unable   
   > to get to his secret happy-place of joy-as-a-child without help,   
   > that reading books didn't do it for him, took me quite a while.   
   >   
   > I'm too fast of a reader   
   > and too slow of a comprehender   
   > all too often, sewing what isn't there in   
   > to the fabric of m'eye percept ions.   
   >   
   > And/or, not as well as knot making   
   > various connections there are to be made.   
   >   
   > Aside from spreading his joy in these groups, just in case,   
   > there might be anyone else akin to him, he harped   
   > how a living Master might be the only way,   
   > for others, who are akin to him.   
   >   
   > Getting him to admit   
   > that having a living Master is not the only way   
   > for all of the people all of the time was akin to pulling teeth   
   > out of the future and in to the present, which he did,   
   > perhaps only as a gift, to me.   
   >   
   > He saw me as desperately needing to hear that.   
   > I found no desperation in myself yet was tenacious.   
   >   
   > Perhaps he was simply condescending   
   > in granting me the point.   
   >   
   > Next year, should he return once again, we may explore   
   > how he Knows there is a secret-happy-place in everyone.   
   >   
   > As an explorer of consciousness, many worlds exist to be   
   > and not to be, and which could be put in   
   > to question form.   
   >   
      
   Who knows, maybe this is the year he'll stay.   
      
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