XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   Tang wrapped up his quotes of Jen with:   
      
   >If there is indeed Enlightenment, then there would have to be an   
   >Anti-Enlightenment. Wouldn't you agree ?   
      
   Twos tend to arise in pairs of one   
   when what is uncarved is seen as such.   
      
   Such a one as presented above appears to be one of those.   
      
   > And if there is indeed   
   >both Enlightenment and Anti-Enlightenment, they must be extreme   
   >opposites on the same scale. Where is the yardstick for   
   >determination as to the principality motif, of what is obviously a   
   >dualistic scale, of this ambiguous, arbitrational and flawed   
   >dichotomy ?   
      
   A yardstick in the mud is sunk.   
      
   Awakening from a dream, about half   
   of an hour ago, I was swimming in a body of water, which   
   in the middle was a drain pipe. I could see, this time, where   
   the water was going down the drain.   
      
   What was funny about it was   
   I'd hit my head on that pipe last time.   
   It was not visible, in, what seemed to be another dream.   
      
   >If those themselves that are Enlightened can't direct   
   >you to it or even prove that there is such a thing, how can there   
   >even be an opposite to it at all ?   
      
   By definition, a Tao may be viewed, oar   
   as the TTC may be seen to be having said,   
   everyone knows what a thing is, and yet, whenever   
   a thing is, not-that-thing also arises in the scheme of things.   
      
   A magnet can point an iron filing in a certain direction.   
   But until the force-field takes hold, the filing is not a magnet.   
      
   The student feels the pull of the teacher.   
   The teacher may test the tug of the iron in the student.   
   Just to ensure the student understood what the teacher taught.   
      
   Yet not all here are students nor teachers per se.   
   Some are. Some are not. Some are simply wanderers.   
   Jen said he was a hitchhiker of some sort. Some are seekers.   
   Some are finders. A price of admission can be to admit   
   what one has found and cares to share.   
      
   > As there may be no such thing as   
   >Enlightenment, there may also be no such thing as ignorance. It is   
   >the concept of a scale itself that is the flaw here. Enlightenment is   
   >ignorance. Ignorance is Enlightenment. Emptiness equals form.   
   >Form equals emptiness. Nirvana is samsara. Samsara is Nirvana.   
   >Only your individual judgements and rankings can create the   
   >imaginary scales that appear to have opposite ends and create   
   >the illusion of duality when there is none.>>   
      
   People who go to a magic show may know.   
   Some have no idea and yet are entertained.   
      
   I heard of one show and one magician who performed a trick.   
   It was so good even the elephant didn't know how it was done.   
   After the elephant had disappeared.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)