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   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   dagnabit wrote:   
   > Tang quoted Jen and then wrote:   
   >   
   >> <> delusions based on fear.   
      
   I'm not sure if that's necessarily true.   
      
   >> the symptoms of suffering are delusion as   
   >> are methodologies to end suffering.   
      
   I suppose techniques, or Tao, can be seen as such.   
      
   I see the TTC not quite saying that.   
      
   Methodologies do work, there's no doubt of that that.   
   Yet to think one method is the be-all or end-all, is doubtful.   
      
   Taoism begins with a caveat.   
   It then explores its own methodology.   
   Being gnarly as a gnarly tree sounds good. And it works.   
   Until one finds one's self as a honkless goose.   
      
   >>  when concept itself is allowed   
   >> to flourish past that which seem to be its specific boundary attribute   
   >> parameters, all concept blends in retroactive motion to its prior to   
   >> concept strata.>>   
   >>   
   >> Colour me impressed. Again, I apologise yugely for failing to   
   >> understand her back then. Better late than never. All is well that ends   
   >> well.   
   >   
   >when one gets a good enough glimpse of that pristine   
   >state, as ramana maharshi called it, one wants to run   
   >out and tell the whole world about it because it is easy   
   >to see that most don't recognize it yet there is no basis   
   >for communicating it and it just becomes pure frustration   
   >to try to tell others about it.   
      
   What I've seen is that most know it, and are involved   
   in doing other things. They're so involved, they don't care   
   about some glimpse of a glimmer of some pristine thing   
   someone who claims there are no others is saying.   
      
   >once when I was excitedly trying to tell others about it   
   >I went hoarse and couldn't even speak for a couple of   
   >days. it lifts all fear and concerns from your perspective.   
      
   You mean, to not be able to speak of it?   
      
   Did you notice the synchronicity of being able to not-speak?   
   Of how, there are no others, to others?   
      
   I'm so unafraid I must tell the others   
   about how there are no individuals to be afraid.   
   So fear not, all you others, out there,   
   who are not other.   
      
   >I'd dare say that when you are deeply held by this state   
   >you might even stand there and let Lee Dillon's red truck   
   >run you down.   
      
   A Taoist Sage knows better.   
      
   Once upon a time a sage, having experienced great joy   
   in a gem, in which he was unable to see his own face,   
   tried showing it to all his friends and family.   
      
   Look!, he shouted, Look!   
      
   You can't even see your own face in it, how wonderful it is!   
      
   And they all looked at him, a little funny.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)