XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   {:-])))  wrote:   
   > Tang had been presenting lots and lots of material from Jen:   
   >   
   >>> if the basic consciousness didn't have that notion of 'i love' it wouldn't   
   >>> keep coming back for more lifetime after lifetime in countless forms   
   >>> if it really did indeed judge its life experiences to be 'suffering'.   
   >   
   > Being totally involved can be what it takes   
   > to be totally evolved if not totally uninvolved.   
   >   
   >>> you may not think that suffering is enjoyable and you may keep   
   >>> seeking out ways and means to end this suffering, but consciousness   
   >>> itself is having a grand old time no matter what is occurring.   
   >   
   > Sat Chit Ananda is a Hindu paradigm, and it works.   
   > It wells enough of its wells to quench many a thirst.   
   >   
   >>> this   
   >>> seemingly divisional aspect of perception shows decidedly that 'you'   
   >>> and the consciousness are indeed on differing wavelengths in that   
   >>> what you consider suffering is what it considers a 'good time'.>>   
   >   
   > The Self is able to play all parts, see out of all eyes, etc.   
   >   
   > With Taoism, as a different paradigm, there is no Self.   
      
   Hey, no kidding?  No mention of the individual in Taoism, who woulda   
   thunkit, prolly nuffink about desire neither, go figure.   
      
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