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   dagnabit  wrote:   
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   >> Tang had been quoting Jen as having written:   
   >>   
   >>>> There   
   >>>> are no individuals as such, but simply the process of   
   >>>> consciousness in function.   
   >>   
   >> Why someone who, knowing, such as such,   
   >> in such a state, would ever-speak of such, since,   
   >> there are no individuals, as such, to be speaking to,   
   >> other than cans of consciousness as canned cans,   
   >> being kicked, playing, on the Road, can be   
   >> called a thing spoken of, in TTC 56.   
   >   
   > when you say who can you be speaking to if there   
   > are no individuals and the answer is that there may   
   > not be individuals yet something gains a higher perch   
   > in the awareness arena by knowing that there are no   
   > individuals. nisargadatta maharaj used to say that he   
   > was not speaking to the individual but to the consciousness   
   > itself. he said that his words would reach a place deep   
   > within and have their effect regardless of the person   
   > in attendance.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
      
   Spoke in nothing but ninja-stars, did he?  Where he said he was not   
   speaking to the individual, he must have meant that the egoic mind was   
   being bypassed to reach the consciousness of the individual which is its   
   true self.   
      
   Lots can get mixed up when you swap the meanings of terms.  The issue of   
   singularity/plurality relates to this methinks.   
      
   As I see it the individual, the true-self, essential-nature, "spirit" is   
   the singular "i" and it has been wrapped in a cocoon of functional tinfoil   
   called the Self, Me, the Great And Powerful Illusion that is the desires of   
   others, parents, teachers, managers, cops of various sorts who wish to   
   enforce your conformity to their desires.   
      
   People do this in ignorance (they know not what they do), and it's the   
   inherent strength of their signal that impresses their desires upon the   
   world, because they are asleep in the important way, they've dozed off and   
   left the microphone on with the transmitter set to full strength, their   
   most subtle fears are being sent out as string desires that something other   
   than their fears occur.   
      
   Seems like another meaning for "mastery of Desire" if you squint just   
   right.   
      
   Semantic reinterpretation is a powerful tool, maybe the most important tool   
   I own.  Once you begin collecting falsehoods and keeping track of what is   
   bullshit, it seems that the process then is to take all the facts and find   
   a way to interpret them that removes all the falsehoods, until the facts   
   match the actual view from the place that looks.   
      
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