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dagnabit wrote:
> "noname" wrote in message news:nts0hc$fv2$3@dont-email.me...
>>
>> dagnabit wrote:
>>> "{:-])))" wrote in message
>>> news:97l20ctr8gbamca361d415biu6fm3eb8bg@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Tang had been quoting Jen as having written:
>>>>
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> are no individuals as such, but simply the process of
>>>>>> consciousness in function.
>>>>
>>>> Why someone who, knowing, such as such,
>>>> in such a state, would ever-speak of such, since,
>>>> there are no individuals, as such, to be speaking to,
>>>> other than cans of consciousness as canned cans,
>>>> being kicked, playing, on the Road, can be
>>>> called a thing spoken of, in TTC 56.
>>>
>>> when you say who can you be speaking to if there
>>> are no individuals and the answer is that there may
>>> not be individuals yet something gains a higher perch
>>> in the awareness arena by knowing that there are no
>>> individuals. nisargadatta maharaj used to say that he
>>> was not speaking to the individual but to the consciousness
>>> itself. he said that his words would reach a place deep
>>> within and have their effect regardless of the person
>>> in attendance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Spoke in nothing but ninja-stars, did he? Where he said he was not
>> speaking to the individual, he must have meant that the egoic mind was
>> being bypassed to reach the consciousness of the individual which is its
>> true self.
>>
>> Lots can get mixed up when you swap the meanings of terms. The issue of
>> singularity/plurality relates to this methinks.
>>
>> As I see it the individual, the true-self, essential-nature, "spirit" is
>> the singular "i" and it has been wrapped in a cocoon of functional tinfoil
>> called the Self, Me, the Great And Powerful Illusion that is the desires
>> of
>> others, parents, teachers, managers, cops of various sorts who wish to
>> enforce your conformity to their desires.
>>
>> People do this in ignorance (they know not what they do), and it's the
>> inherent strength of their signal that impresses their desires upon the
>> world, because they are asleep in the important way, they've dozed off and
>> left the microphone on with the transmitter set to full strength, their
>> most subtle fears are being sent out as string desires that something
>> other
>> than their fears occur.
>>
>> Seems like another meaning for "mastery of Desire" if you squint just
>> right.
>>
>> Semantic reinterpretation is a powerful tool, maybe the most important
>> tool
>> I own. Once you begin collecting falsehoods and keeping track of what is
>> bullshit, it seems that the process then is to take all the facts and find
>> a way to interpret them that removes all the falsehoods, until the facts
>> match the actual view from the place that looks.
>>
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>
> maharaj once said that it was the consciousness
> that brought people to his apartment every day.
> he said it was the consciousness itself that
> wanted this knowledge, not the supposed
> individual.
>
That tends to confirm his use of the word "consciousness" to mean the
true-self/real-i, and the word "individual" to mean the true-self plus its
unnecessary baggage of obligations and considerations for others, which I
call the egoic-self when I'm not calling it something else. Attempting to
differentiate between the two by means of typographical-case alone is
potentially ambiguous due to being identical in sound and also because of
capitalization rules, not to mention the different renderings in
machine-presented fonts which sometimes make the four characters "iIl1"
look very much the same.
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