XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   Tang wrote:   
   >On 10/14/2016 9:36 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >> On 10/14/2016 11:49 AM, noname wrote:   
   >   
   >>> Maybe he stepped on a caltrop I left laying around in absfg.   
   >>> Maybe one of Tang's ninja-stars got him.  Maybe he done   
   >>> thought about stuff.  What about that, Wilson?   
   >   
   >> If I blame your caltrop or Tang's ninja stars, does that relive   
   >> me of all responsibility?   
   >>   
   >> Nah, I didn't thinks so.   
   >>   
   >> (And I had to look up caltrop too. It's a learning day today.)   
   >   
   ><meditation but if one does reach this stage, which includes   
   >reading minds, by comparison to one's previous level of control   
   >addiction satisfaction it takes a great deal of self discipline to   
   >ignore them.  i have experienced at times the notion that i   
   >broadcast my thoughts and certain people can pick this up and   
   >react thusly.   
   >at work, if i see that someone is forgetting to do a part of their   
   >job, i will send a mental message to them by focusing on a   
   >specific area of their forehead and many times they will do what   
   >they've forgotten.>> Jen/dagnabit, 01 Sep 2006.   
   >   
   >The late Hal Hesse told me many times that he had sent an order   
   >telepathically to Jeffrey, a resident of Old Freedom Monastery,   
   >who by then had died, to buy bread and take it home, and   
   >Jeffrey would go to town, buy bread, go back and hand it to Hal,   
   >saying: "I bought this, I don't know why."   
   >   
   >That said, casting Ninja stars like I do is mere talk, which is   
   >cheap. The ability to plant thoughts in somebody else, specially   
   >at a distance, and have that somebody act on it is rare and   
   >difficult. In the latter case, it does not relieve the sender of   
   >responsibility, in the former nothing happens except pure talk,   
   >so no responsibility needs to be assumed.   
      
   Some people take full responsibility for all their words.   
   Some people may tell themselves most anything.   
      
   Rationalizations vary.   
      
   >Even if somebody has the ability to plant thought in somebody   
   >else, specially at a distance, and have the latter act on it, the   
   >recipient still can use mindfulness to be conscious of the   
   >introduction of such thought from the outside and decide what   
   >to do about it, perhaps to resist it, ignore it, or accept it and act   
   >on it, but all in consciousness and responsibility.   
      
   If the recipient can use mindfulness, then he or she can.   
      
   If that ability has not been obtained, attained, known, etc.,   
   then to say what the recipient can do can be mistaken.   
      
   > It is true that   
   >mindfulness must be very acute to pick up such cues and handle   
   >them in ... mindfulness.   
      
   Having been enlightened to mindfulness one may recall   
   and be mindful of how things are, one and all.   
      
   >To whet your curiosity, Hal told me that in order to send thought   
   >telepathically as above, one must enter a markless realm, and   
   >there one can locate the recipient's mind and plant the thought.   
      
   My guru was able to read minds at will, quite often.   
   People would bring various friends over to get a kick.   
   Having one's mind read can be as entering a fire.   
   And so they'd say to the guru, fire 'em up.   
   Or, fry 'em. And it would be impressive.   
      
   Having someone inside one's head,   
   and knowing it, may differ from other modes.   
      
   >It sounds very paradoxical, as in such markless realm there is no   
   >point of reference, so how can anything be located,   
      
   One simply knows one's own thoughts, hears them, sees them.   
   One's mind is as a clear pool or mirror, not a cesspool.   
      
   A mirror-mind, without a mark, is markless.   
   It is able to see clearly what is reflected in it   
   by other minds, so-called.   
      
   When called to speak, the mirror speaks.   
      
   > even less a   
   >mind susceptible of "getting" the order?   
      
   Some seekers and students are willing to take orders.   
   Would you like fries with that?   
      
   >I have never been   
   >anywhere near there, so Jen can say something to take up the   
   >slack, about zapping thought into another mind. (Such markless   
   >realm is all over the place in the Wisdom scriptures).   
      
   When I began to realize various siddhis,   
   I also realized how super-huge my ego was.   
      
   Walking on water sounds good, as do other various powers.   
   I'd use them as party-tricks, in all probability.   
   And misuse them as you misuse yours.   
      
   Words are not just hot-air.   
   They carry meaning.   
      
   Ultimately, one may ask, as did Zz,   
   if they mean, as it were, other than peeps   
   of baby birds.   
      
   A mama bird, when her baby peeps,   
   does not vomit up poison.   
      
   Nor does a father, when his son asks for bread,   
   give his son a rock, a millstone, as it were.   
   And then throw the kid in a lake.   
      
   And then shout at the child,   
   don't let the trolls drag you down to their level.   
      
   And then, dusting the dust of the millstone off his hands,   
   say to himself, my son, my son, he volunteered for that.   
   And then say to the rest of his brood, anyone else?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)