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   Tang Huyen to dagnabit   
   Re: More fluff from Jen   
   16 Oct 16 07:57:27   
   
   XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: tanghuyen@gmail.com   
      
   On 10/16/2016 6:22 AM, dagnabit wrote:   
      
   > it's just like the old sedona method by lester levinson. when a   
   > feeling arises just observe it and let it go. most dwell on the   
   > feeling and quickly add a storyline to it which not only bolsters   
   > and extends the feeling, it can cause more of the same to keep   
   > occurring. as an example, when a feeling of fear arises try   
   > not to add a storyline concerning something that may be feared.   
   > feelings of fear have automatic triggering initializations from   
   > the subconscious due to ingrained safety and security   
   > addictions and those triggers can eventually be eliminated,   
   > or greatly reduced, by not adding storyline to the arising   
   > feelings.   
   >   
   > most feelings that arise are fear based anyway. hate, anger,   
   > guilt, and even desire are often times fear based so just observe   
   > feelings that arise without voluntarily adding mental constructs   
   > and eventually fear based feelings will fade away.   
   >   
   > the only other feelings besides strictly fear based ones are   
   > feelings of love, compassion or affection, and at times these can   
   > also be fear based so in order to completely dismantle the   
   > subconscious triggering mechanism even feelings of love which   
   > are fear based might need to be eliminated too.   
      
   The above jives with the Buddha's teaching. To him, bodily   
   suffering cannot be avoided, but the saint does not lay   
   mental suffering on top of it. The Buddha compares the   
   foolish common person to a man who is pierced with one   
   arrow and then with another arrow, for the foolish common   
   person feels a bodily feeling and adds to it a mental feeling   
   (so dve vedana vedayati kayikañ ca cetasikañ ca). He   
   compares the learned saintly disciple to a man who is   
   pierced with one arrow but not with another arrow, for the   
   learned saintly disciple feels a bodily feeling but does not   
   add to it a mental feeling (so ekam vedanam vedayati   
   kayikam, na cetasikam). Chinese Samyukta-Agama, 470,   
   119-120, SN, IV, 207-210 (36, 6), Vyakhya, 107.   
      
   In simpler terms, as Norbu Tragri says on the Buddhist   
   boards, mindfulness is: "Just look, don't judge". As Jen   
   says: "Just be, don't be anything".   
      
   I agree with: <>   
      
   Mindfulness helps one to penetrate into one's mind, so   
   that one can see all mechanisms, so far as humanly   
   possible, and one can see them, see through them, see   
   past them. Positive, negative, good, bad, etc., they all   
   need to be reviewed and deactivated, after which one can   
   choose to keep some and discard others, or grow new   
   ones, but they are all become transparent and flexible, not   
   opaque and unwieldy. Simpler and less contorted. (All the   
   usual disclaimers ...)   
      
   Tang Huyen   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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