XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen
From: invalid@invalid.invalid
Tang Huyen wrote:
> On 10/16/2016 6:22 AM, dagnabit wrote:
>
>> it's just like the old sedona method by lester levinson. when a
>> feeling arises just observe it and let it go. most dwell on the
>> feeling and quickly add a storyline to it which not only bolsters
>> and extends the feeling, it can cause more of the same to keep
>> occurring. as an example, when a feeling of fear arises try
>> not to add a storyline concerning something that may be feared.
>> feelings of fear have automatic triggering initializations from
>> the subconscious due to ingrained safety and security
>> addictions and those triggers can eventually be eliminated,
>> or greatly reduced, by not adding storyline to the arising
>> feelings.
>>
>> most feelings that arise are fear based anyway. hate, anger,
>> guilt, and even desire are often times fear based so just observe
>> feelings that arise without voluntarily adding mental constructs
>> and eventually fear based feelings will fade away.
>>
>> the only other feelings besides strictly fear based ones are
>> feelings of love, compassion or affection, and at times these can
>> also be fear based so in order to completely dismantle the
>> subconscious triggering mechanism even feelings of love which
>> are fear based might need to be eliminated too.
>
> The above jives with the Buddha's teaching. To him, bodily
> suffering cannot be avoided, but the saint does not lay
> mental suffering on top of it. The Buddha compares the
> foolish common person to a man who is pierced with one
> arrow and then with another arrow, for the foolish common
> person feels a bodily feeling and adds to it a mental feeling
> (so dve vedana vedayati kayikañ ca cetasikañ ca). He
> compares the learned saintly disciple to a man who is
> pierced with one arrow but not with another arrow, for the
> learned saintly disciple feels a bodily feeling but does not
> add to it a mental feeling (so ekam vedanam vedayati
> kayikam, na cetasikam). Chinese Samyukta-Agama, 470,
> 119-120, SN, IV, 207-210 (36, 6), Vyakhya, 107.
>
> In simpler terms, as Norbu Tragri says on the Buddhist
> boards, mindfulness is: "Just look, don't judge". As Jen
> says: "Just be, don't be anything".
>
> I agree with: < subconscious triggering mechanism even feelings of love
> which are fear based might need to be eliminated too.>>
>
> Mindfulness helps one to penetrate into one's mind, so
> that one can see all mechanisms, so far as humanly
> possible, and one can see them, see through them, see
> past them. Positive, negative, good, bad, etc., they all
> need to be reviewed and deactivated, after which one can
> choose to keep some and discard others, or grow new
> ones, but they are all become transparent and flexible, not
> opaque and unwieldy. Simpler and less contorted. (All the
> usual disclaimers ...)
>
> Tang Huyen
>
The buddha's teaching that you described above, "bodily suffering cannot be
avoided", seems wrong to me. One might almost look for an error in
translation. Maybe a word or two was spoken vewwy qwietwy. Perhaps he
said (whispering) without awakening.
The past couple years have been busy ones for me, I'm looking forward to
spending more time walking up and down the hills here (as there is precious
little but hills here) come summer next. With my boots on, thank you very
much, the dirt here is like edged pea-gravel and I have enough distractions
already.
Anyway Tang, it's good to see you coming out of your closet, I'm sure it
grew quite sticky in there; how is it they say, "welcome to the real
world", but I think they say that just before the new guy pukes into the
drain.
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