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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   {:-])))  wrote:   
   > Tang wrote:   
   >   
   >> I agree with: <> subconscious triggering mechanism even feelings of love   
   >> which are fear based might need to be eliminated too.>>   
   >>   
   >> Mindfulness helps one to penetrate into one's mind, so   
   >> that one can see all mechanisms, so far as humanly   
   >> possible, and one can see them, see through them, see   
   >> past them. Positive, negative, good, bad, etc., they all   
   >> need to be reviewed and deactivated, after which one can   
   >> choose to keep some and discard others, or grow new   
   >> ones, but they are all become transparent and flexible, not   
   >> opaque and unwieldy. Simpler and less contorted. (All the   
   >> usual disclaimers ...)   
   >   
   > A Real (your word here) is (able to or not able to) ... ... .   
   >   
   > Some addictions for some people can be controlled and   
   > deactivated, after which one can choose ... .   
   >   
   > For those Real Alcoholics who think they can be Mindful   
   > and try some controlled drinking, they might test the content   
   > of how great the one mode or the other mode is.   
   >   
   > Kinda puts me in mind of another beer,   
   > now that I'm thinking about it.   
   >   
      
   If an individual finds that a particular substance is useful to him, I see   
   nothing wrong in that.  Water is a useful substance, we're all addicted to   
   water in one form or another.  Nobody quits drinking water or eating food   
   in order to become "more virtuous", do they?  I suppose some are still   
   attempting to gain perfection through self-mortification, but it's my   
   observation that society can be sufficiently mortifying that no additional   
   self-torture is needed.   
      
   They tell me some people are Real Alcoholics and others are not.  We are   
   whatever we are, we're stuck with what we are, until we get around to   
   becoming something else.  There's no need to feel guilty about where we   
   fell to Earth, it simply is.   
      
   If a person drinks too much Tequila his body will probably complain loudly   
   enough that he gets a better handle on how much is enough.  I read   
   somewhere that when a man knows his sickness he is not sick, perhaps that   
   applies.   
      
   What I find problematic is when society in its unholy Morality covers up   
   the truth to the point where even booze is inadequate to the task of   
   shutting out its incessant whining to allow the truth to be as it is.   
   Without the Church Lady smirking at the poor helpless Alcoholic (oh lookie,   
   someone to pity!), maybe it would just be booze, not a societal   
   condemnation to be fought by ignoring it.   
      
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