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   Kitty P  wrote:   
   > "noname"  wrote in message news:nu32as$3aj$3@dont-email.me...   
   >>   
   >> Kitty P  wrote:   
   >>> "noname"  wrote in message news:nu0kob$qoe$8@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Wilson  wrote:   
   >>>>> On 10/16/2016 6:21 AM, noname wrote:   
   >>>>>> Tang Huyen  wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 10/15/2016 10:08 AM, noname wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Siddhis are not done by the individual through some   
   >>>>>>>> power the individual has accumulated, they are   
   >>>>>>>> not-done by the individual and done by the world   
   >>>>>>>> because it is necessary.  It's a fine line, and easy to   
   >>>>>>>> think that what one's egoic self demands is what is   
   >>>>>>>> necessary.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> This is my line of reasoning about the great mass murderers   
   >>>>>>> being of some service to humanity. As I often say, great mass   
   >>>>>>> murderers like Stalin, Mao, Hitler, and recently, Pol Pot, are   
   >>>>>>> good, perhaps involuntarily, in helping to keep human   
   >>>>>>> population within earthly sustainability. Such population   
   >>>>>>> reduction is natural amongst some animals, like lemmings.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> To borrow from your felicitous wording: yuge mass murder to   
   >>>>>>> the scale of the above tyrants is not done only by said   
   >>>>>>> individuals through some powers the individuals have   
   >>>>>>> accumulated (though that is true), it is not-done by the   
   >>>>>>> individuals and done by the world because it is necessary.   
   >>>>>>> Such individuals are evil, but not entirely evil, as they   
   >>>>>>> contribute some good to humanity, in the above purview.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Tang Huyen   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Remember the story of the farmer's horse, how everyone said "oh, this   
   >>>>>> is   
   >>>>>> bad!" when it ran away, how they thought it was "wonderful, your   
   >>>>>> horse   
   >>>>>> is   
   >>>>>> back, and it brought a mare!", and all the rest of that story, which   
   >>>>>> I   
   >>>>>> assume all reading here are aware of.  Its point was what the farmer   
   >>>>>> said   
   >>>>>> whenever his neighbors concluded that fortune was done with him.   
   >>>>>> We'll   
   >>>>>> see.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Trump is feeling his oats, because he obtained wealth through   
   >>>>>> navigating   
   >>>>>> the worlds placed before him; in that sense his wealth came from   
   >>>>>> virtue.   
   >>>>>> It is when leaders begin to deify themselves, thinking their power   
   >>>>>> came   
   >>>>>> from something they made, forgetting that it was not themselves who   
   >>>>>> placed   
   >>>>>> the opportunities before them, that problems begin.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The problem grows worse when power is passed down to children.  Even   
   >>>>>> though   
   >>>>>> daddy may have gained his wealth from virtue, the children cannot but   
   >>>>>> realize that their own wealth was inherited.  When they begin to   
   >>>>>> consider   
   >>>>>> it their just reward for nothing, you have created a line between   
   >>>>>> Nobility   
   >>>>>> and paupers.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Trump could win the election in a landslide.  The only thing he would   
   >>>>>> have   
   >>>>>> to do is promise a 100% tax on inheritance, all inheritance large or   
   >>>>>> small.   
   >>>>>> A leader who knows where his power comes from also knows that it is   
   >>>>>> freely   
   >>>>>> available to his children who deserve it, and will only set the ones   
   >>>>>> who do   
   >>>>>> not on a path of dissolution, whether it is open and above-board, or   
   >>>>>> hidden   
   >>>>>> in boardrooms.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Of course the rich will find ways to pass their wealth to those they   
   >>>>>> wish,   
   >>>>>> but it would win him the election.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> What you spoke of, mass murders committed by mass murderers?  Did   
   >>>>>> they   
   >>>>>> make   
   >>>>>> the opportunity for that by themselves, or is it something that the   
   >>>>>> world   
   >>>>>> saw as necessary, like a horse running away?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I have no facts at my disposal, none.  I could collect some, if there   
   >>>>>> was   
   >>>>>> some true source for them, and then the facts could be jerry-rigged   
   >>>>>> to   
   >>>>>> look   
   >>>>>> however someone wanted them to look.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> In a perfect world, any idea might work.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I claim that it is a perfect world.  It constantly delivers what the   
   >>>> voters   
   >>>> of the cosmos need to counter their own flaws.  The cure is simple,   
   >>>> universal awakening.  The mechanics of that are not so simple, it's   
   >>>> hard   
   >>>> enough just to awaken oneself, let-alone others.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> email: noname.1234567.abcdef@gmail.com   
   >>>   
   >>> Do you believe that you are awakened?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> No, I try not to believe anything.   
   >>   
   >> I know that for the past... dunno, maybe 18 months, my perceptions of   
   >> things have been much altered from what they were before.  If I could pin   
   >> that down to a single minute, or second, perhaps that would be "an   
   >> awakening" event, or maybe that would merely mark the acceleration of my   
   >> descent into insanity.  I know that desire no longer runs me like a   
   >> puppet.   
   >> I know that I am awake to a different level of things that was never   
   >> clear   
   >> to me before.  I can honestly say that I have "awakened", in some sense   
   >> that may have nothing whatsoever in common with whatever you think of as   
   >> "awakening".   
   >>   
   >> I know that the past year alone has run me through twelve kinds of hell,   
   >> but it did not feel like hell so much as simply what was happening.  I am   
   >> the same now as I have always been, though without the confusion inherent   
   >> in having a self-contradictory worldview.   
   >>   
   >> To describe the way I see things now is very difficult.  I've concluded   
   >> that it isn't possible to just sit down and write a description of the   
   >> world that I see now.  On the other hand in any conversation here some of   
   >> it leaks out, perhaps some grain of truth makes its way to the reader.   
   >> That's about the best I can do.   
   >>   
   >> One of the things I do believe is that the best one can do is simply the   
   >> best one can do.   
   >>   
   >> email: noname.1234567.abcdef@gmail.com   
   >   
   > That really is an impressive description.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
      
   Yeah, I've read some pretty impressive descriptions of used cars, then   
   driven out to see some real losers.  Talk is cheap, we all know that.   
      
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