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   "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
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   >   
   > On 10/25/2016 6:49 AM, Kitty P wrote:   
   >   
   > > Heck - it's why it's called practice. I've never said my practice is   
   > > stable. I'm the first to see my issues and I don't mind them pointed out   
   > > and I thank you - because you're personally da bomb on that topic heh   
   > >   
   > > The one thing I do notice,  and here is my catnip to trump your yarn, is   
   > > that I notice quite a few people talk a lot about the intricacies of   
   > > Buddhism - yet never seem to actually take in the information to attempt   
   > > to live that practice.   
   >   
   > Talking and walking the talk are two different things,   
   > which can be decoupled altogether, and on these boards,   
   > there are various ways of telling. Overall, is the talker   
   > calm and composed, even with producing and reacting   
   > to mere words on the screen? Is the talker boiling in   
   > continual rage like Trump? That basic level of   
   > consideration is good enough to smoke out most fakers.   
   > As I often say, mindfulness is hard, and demands so much   
   > that if one can fake it, one has it. Of course here on these   
   > boards we are all protected by asynchronicity, so that one   
   > can type up any, er, intempestive post, and delete it, and   
   > no one else will be wiser, but one's overall tone still bleeds   
   > through anyway, willy nilly. Therefore one's absence of   
   > mindfulness is very hard to hide, regardless of   
   > externalities, the protection of asynchronicity   
   > notwithstanding.   
   >   
   > When posters are calm and composed, most of the time,   
   > they still betray their state of mind anyway by their realism   
   > and literalism. That part is almost impossible to dissemble.   
   > Just throw some word plays and they'll inevitably fall for   
   > realism and literalism. I believe that most of the public   
   > cases in Chan are merely tests for just realism and   
   > literalism. Even people who have all the meditative   
   > technique and practice down pat after years and decades   
   > of intensive study and practice, including the so-called   
   > masters, still easily trip up on realism and literalism. It is   
   > like a helmet that they wear on their head, and have no   
   > idea that it is there.   
   >   
   > In old movies up to half a century ago, there were scenes   
   > of fierce dogs about to attack people, where the intended   
   > victims threw an hankerchief imbued with aether to them,   
   > and they sniffed it and fell unconscious. Their enemies   
   > throw them a trap, and they jump right into it head first. It   
   > is like catnip to trump their yarn, and just a few words   
   > and/or a small gesture will do.  In that light, I see most   
   > public cases as simple instances of such testing on just   
   > realism and literalism.   
   >   
   > When Channists (or other pratitioners) penetrate their   
   > mind, to me they at a minimum penetrate realism and   
   > literalism, in addition to much of the murk churning in their   
   > mind, which often consists in defence mechanisms, and   
   > they make their mind relatively transparent to them, so far   
   > as humanly possible, regardless of technique, but if they   
   > fail at it, no technique will help.   
   >   
   > Just my opinion, nothing more. Perhaps Jen will kindly say   
   > something to elucidate the matter.   
   >   
   > Tang Huyen   
      
   if you want to identify the fake "awakeneds", and   
   here in these groups they do seem to come and go   
   on a regular basis,  you can read the words of   
   christ, krishna, buddha, ramana maharshi, and   
   nisargadatta maharaj and put aside their words   
   and look for the commonality in the phrasing and   
   expression, because they all have a similar way in   
   attempting to put their state into words.   
      
   one thing you can look for is any attempt at words   
   connected to any kind of security and survival status,   
   because when you're in that heightened state the last   
   thing you will be concerned about is security or survival.   
      
   this is, of course, just my substantially less than humble   
   opinion and your spiritual dining and dancing mileage   
   can indeed vary.   
      
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