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   From: cuddly@mindless.com   
      
   On 10/25/2016 10:08 PM, Kitty P wrote:   
   > "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
   > news:9b75d85c-69cf-1613-05a8-63d4ffe042d2@gmail.com...   
   >>   
   >> On 10/25/2016 6:49 AM, Kitty P wrote:   
   >>   
   >> > Heck - it's why it's called practice. I've never said my practice is   
   >> > stable. I'm the first to see my issues and I don't mind them pointed   
   >> out   
   >> > and I thank you - because you're personally da bomb on that topic heh   
   >> >   
   >> > The one thing I do notice,  and here is my catnip to trump your   
   >> yarn, is   
   >> > that I notice quite a few people talk a lot about the intricacies of   
   >> > Buddhism - yet never seem to actually take in the information to   
   >> attempt   
   >> > to live that practice.   
   >>   
   >> Talking and walking the talk are two different things,   
   >> which can be decoupled altogether, and on these boards,   
   >> there are various ways of telling. Overall, is the talker   
   >> calm and composed, even with producing and reacting   
   >> to mere words on the screen? Is the talker boiling in   
   >> continual rage like Trump? That basic level of   
   >> consideration is good enough to smoke out most fakers.   
   >> As I often say, mindfulness is hard, and demands so much   
   >> that if one can fake it, one has it. Of course here on these   
   >> boards we are all protected by asynchronicity, so that one   
   >> can type up any, er, intempestive post, and delete it, and   
   >> no one else will be wiser, but one's overall tone still bleeds   
   >> through anyway, willy nilly. Therefore one's absence of   
   >> mindfulness is very hard to hide, regardless of   
   >> externalities, the protection of asynchronicity   
   >> notwithstanding.   
   >>   
   >> When posters are calm and composed, most of the time,   
   >> they still betray their state of mind anyway by their realism   
   >> and literalism. That part is almost impossible to dissemble.   
   >> Just throw some word plays and they'll inevitably fall for   
   >> realism and literalism. I believe that most of the public   
   >> cases in Chan are merely tests for just realism and   
   >> literalism. Even people who have all the meditative   
   >> technique and practice down pat after years and decades   
   >> of intensive study and practice, including the so-called   
   >> masters, still easily trip up on realism and literalism. It is   
   >> like a helmet that they wear on their head, and have no   
   >> idea that it is there.   
   >>   
   >> In old movies up to half a century ago, there were scenes   
   >> of fierce dogs about to attack people, where the intended   
   >> victims threw an hankerchief imbued with aether to them,   
   >> and they sniffed it and fell unconscious. Their enemies   
   >> throw them a trap, and they jump right into it head first. It   
   >> is like catnip to trump their yarn, and just a few words   
   >> and/or a small gesture will do.  In that light, I see most   
   >> public cases as simple instances of such testing on just   
   >> realism and literalism.   
   >>   
   >> When Channists (or other pratitioners) penetrate their   
   >> mind, to me they at a minimum penetrate realism and   
   >> literalism, in addition to much of the murk churning in their   
   >> mind, which often consists in defence mechanisms, and   
   >> they make their mind relatively transparent to them, so far   
   >> as humanly possible, regardless of technique, but if they   
   >> fail at it, no technique will help.   
   >>   
   >> Just my opinion, nothing more. Perhaps Jen will kindly say   
   >> something to elucidate the matter.   
   >>   
   >> Tang Huyen   
   >   
   > What you are describing are the things people suffer that separates us   
   > from awakening or even living in the moment, and might perhaps be more   
   > deserving of compassion?  Heck, I've been asking the same question in   
   > different ways for over a decade heh   
   >   
   > Kitty   
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   Let me be pessimistic..  LOL   
      
   The un-awakened buddhist will never awaken   
   since what is born can never be unborn   
      
   it takes time, patience, much love and affection   
   to bring forth a new human being   
   (let me know if that's in the sutras!)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)