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Kitty P wrote:
> "noname" wrote in message news:nuq2jj$5ma$8@dont-email.me...
>>
>> djinn wrote:
>>> "Tang Huyen" wrote in message
>>> news:12d646fc-fa85-9255-ca77-baf37fe7658c@gmail.com...
>>>>
>>>> On 10/25/2016 11:58 AM, dagnabit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> if you want to identify the fake "awakeneds", and
>>>>> here in these groups they do seem to come and go
>>>>> on a regular basis, you can read the words of
>>>>> christ, krishna, buddha, ramana maharshi, and
>>>>> nisargadatta maharaj and put aside their words
>>>>> and look for the commonality in the phrasing and
>>>>> expression, because they all have a similar way in
>>>>> attempting to put their state into words.
>>>>>
>>>>> one thing you can look for is any attempt at words
>>>>> connected to any kind of security and survival status,
>>>>> because when you're in that heightened state the last
>>>>> thing you will be concerned about is security or survival.
>>>>>
>>>>> this is, of course, just my substantially less than humble
>>>>> opinion and your spiritual dining and dancing mileage
>>>>> can indeed vary.
>>>>
>>>> In your early posts, you often talked of survival with
>>>> negative connotations.
>>>>
>>>> <>>> and another when all your doing is dividing its chances
>>>> of being anywhere near real ? Individual doership is an
>>>> illusion created by consciousMess in its wide array of
>>>> survival tactics. This is one of the Gunas, or influences
>>>> on behaviour.
>>>> The other two , as such, are said to be passion and
>>>> compassion. Everyone thrives on an admixture of the
>>>> three. These false phantom identities created by us
>>>> starting in infancy were piled onto the first concept,
>>>> " I Am". Your true nature was stung by a scorpion and
>>>> that scorpion is consciousMess.
>>>> Without these false identities compromising an ability
>>>> to abide in true nature, the disguises would fall and the
>>>> masquerade would be over.>>
>>>>
>>>> <>>> has an immense love to be. It creates many strategies
>>>> to ensure its survival. ConsciousMess uses every
>>>> avenue possible to survive including many delusions
>>>> fostered upon its many different expressions, some in
>>>> the roles of autonomous psychosomatic apparatuses
>>>> processing limited sense inputs. It is consciousMess'
>>>> desire to believe that it has the right to exist as will as
>>>> one of its inexhaustible supply of methods of survival.>>
>>>>
>>>> <>>> horseshit make 'lovely' bloom ? Your speculation stems
>>>> from a body-mind identification level and stagnates you
>>>> at a conceptual understanding and reasoning
>>>> sub-stratum. Your judgement and belief buffers are
>>>> fueling the emotional addictions that foster the security
>>>> maskings that veil your true intuitive noumenal
>>>> apperception. A decentralizing and decreating of the
>>>> word-knowledge blinders that fog your true nature can
>>>> be easily accomplished by a detached affectionate
>>>> awareness that responds spontaneously rather than
>>>> reacting with thinking and emotional baggage.( how's
>>>> that ? )>>
>>>>
>>>> <>>> true nature is perfect, whole and complete and needs
>>>> nothing. Only a conceptually reasoning intellect believes
>>>> it can 'better deal' itself and make greater and greater
>>>> intellectual delicacies out of its array of judgement and
>>>> belief buffering.>>
>>>>
>>>> <>>> mine. How many times do I need to stress that until it
>>>> registers with you ? ALL shit stinks. ALL knowledge,
>>>> wisdom, concepts, theories, ideas, GUESSES, religions,
>>>> disciplines, practices, learning, etc., etc., etc., is all
>>>> temporary, transient, time-bound and essentially,
>>>> ultimately useless.
>>>> Your true nature is essentially perfect and has no need
>>>> for any of these things. You're trying to climb your way
>>>> out of a hole that you're not even in.>>
>>>>
>>>> <>>> infinity. Manifest consciousness has infinite possibility
>>>> and the Absolute has infinite possibility. If your belief
>>>> buffers have judged for you that I am prideful and
>>>> arrogant, remember that no matter what you do you will
>>>> retain vestiges of the hereditary and genetic momentum
>>>> that limits the infinite potential of manifest
>>>> consciousness in your appearance of individuality and
>>>> that 'ego' is just a result of consciousness' love to be.
>>>> Ego will retain shades of these results of the variances
>>>> manifest when consciousness devises enough survival
>>>> tactics in its struggle to be. In identification with the
>>>> manifest phenomenalities, ego's many colors are the
>>>> saving grace of consciousness in its quest to remain
>>>> conscious of itself in its many forms of expression.>>
>>>>
>>>> <>>> Only the manifest consciousness seeks itself a purpose
>>>> as a built in survival tactic.
>>>> [snip]
>>>> I was told all of my life by others that I had no personality
>>>> and I looked around at others and thought; " Goddamned
>>>> good thing I don't." My state is unconditioned, causeless
>>>> and attributeless.>>
>>>>
>>>> Tang Huyen
>>>
>>> impermanence is key. nothing survives, not even
>>> the universe, according to some. working towards
>>> survival is going against the grain of the natural
>>> processes in place,
>>
>> That argues against evolution doesn't it?
>>
>>> and security is never possible
>>> for the temporary human disguise, and the true self
>>> doesn't need security.
>>>
>>
>> The true self knows where security comes from and doesn't want the dish
>> because it comes with a collar.
>>
>>
>> email: noname.1234567.abcdef@gmail.com
>
> I think if you reread slowly what djinn wrote- maybe a few times -
If you were qualified to understand my reply to him, you might understand
how to reply to me.
> it might
> begin to open up something that would help with the anger and suffering a
> bit?
>
Whose, yours? Tang's? Really, in this kind of group exchange, it might
pay to be specific about the basics, who, what, when and so on. I'm not
angry and suffering, last I knew djinn was not angry and suffering, so that
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