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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   Ned Ludd  wrote:   
   >   
   > "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
   > news:844acb1a-be4f-27e7-651f-86ccbaff93d6@gmail.com...   
   >> On 10/26/2016 7:02 AM, Ned Ludd wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Nice article. Keith Richards snorted his fathers ashes! Really?   
   >>> We need a chemist.  How about we devise a way to use all   
   >>> the various chemicals in the (dead) human body to synthesize   
   >>> some really good drugs?  If it's done efficiently, we might make   
   >>> 40 or 50 pounds of high-grade crack, THC, or heroin.  Then we   
   >>> could snort grandma for the rest of our lives.  People could even   
   >>> bequeath their stash to their progeny, and then the grandkids   
   >>> could compare the high they get from grandpa to the high from   
   >>> great-grandpa and great-great-grandpa.   
   >>   
   >> You are talking about physical actions on physical stuff.   
   >> In the mental and spiritual realms, everybody does it   
   >> with regard to their ancestors, near or far, symbolically   
   >> speaking. We humans keep repeating the (presumed)   
   >> teachings from dead old people from faraway places   
   >> and cultures, like the Buddha, the Old One (Lao-zi),   
   >> Jesus and the Jewish mythmakers, the Greeks, the   
   >> Romans, the Chinese, the Indians, the political thinkers   
   >> and actors, (Jefferson, Marx, etc.), etc. We are stuffed   
   >> solid with them.   
   >>   
   >> For example, you, Neddie dear, talk about Zen hits,   
   >> which (presumably) are to you superior to all the   
   >> nonsense coming from Jewish mythology, like the "born   
   >> again Christianity". Are they not the mental and spiritual   
   >> parallels to:   
   >>   
   >> <> progeny, and then the grandkids could compare the high   
   >> they get from grandpa to the high from great-grandpa   
   >> and great-great-grandpa.>>?   
   >>   
   >> Anyway, how "high" are your Zen hits? Do they obliterate   
   >> you? Are the Trump fans getting "highs" from their Trump   
   >> rallies, the way Nazis got "highs" from their Hitler ones or   
   >> Communists from Stalin and Mao ones? How are yours   
   >> compared with theirs in sheer highness, in disregard to   
   >> content?   
   >>   
   >> Tang Huyen   
   >>   
   >   
   >  Zen hits?  OK... Well, probably my first Zen hit was the   
   > Strawberry story, told to me about 40 years ago while   
   > careening around the low hills of western Wisconsin in   
   > a broken-down heap called "Hope".   
   >   
   >  Then there were others ("Do not follow in the footsteps   
   > of the masters, seek what they sought."; "To know it is to   
   > cut it up."; "The great way is not difficult, just avoid picking   
   > and choosing."; "The deer-hunter doesn't see mountains.";   
   > "Wretched are they who work for results." [Technically from   
   > the Gita, but the Strawberry story exists in the Mahabharata.];   
   > "Knowing is an illusion; not knowing is a lack of discrimination.")   
   >   
   >  But I've gotten as high on Zen hits as Judeo-Christian hits.   
   > Tons from the Bible ("In much wisdom is much grief, and he   
   > that increases knowledge increases sorrow."; "I form the light,   
   > and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord   
   > do all these things."; the "There go the ships..." quote.)   
   >   
   >  And the Tao.  Well, everybody reveres the Tao.  You can't   
   > really make that statement about any other text of any religion.   
   >   
   >  Also the Norse scripture.  Lots of stuff, mostly in sagas and   
   > skaldic poetry.  (The "Song of Eric Blood-Axe" comes to mind.)   
   >   
   >  So it's not the source or the text that is the problem.  Most   
   > scriptural texts cover a vast array of behavior and mind-sets.   
   > It's more how texts get perverted and misused. (Which is not   
   > necessarily the fault of the text, but the speakers and annotators   
   > and commentators that produce the text and bring it forward   
   > in time should always ask themselves, "What's the worst damage   
   > that could be done with this statement?" - witness the "burned   
   > branch" quote of Jesus being used to burn women at the stake   
   > for being witches .)   
   >   
   >  So yeah, compare those highs and their affect on people's   
   > behavior, with the highs and behavioral effects from Trump   
   > quotes, Nazi quotes, Stalin quotes and Mao quotes.   
   >   
   > Ned   
   >   
   >   
      
   Pass the bong, Ned; you got too much light to leave in the basket, let the   
   youngsters have a hit.   
      
   If there are any youngsters around, maybe they've all gone to play   
   pokey-mon.   
      
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