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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   Tang Huyen  wrote:   
   > On 10/26/2016 8:17 PM, Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >   
   >> If one tests others on the basis (on the ground) of one's   
   >> norms and standards, which may or may not be shared   
   >> by those to whom one directs one's testing, then one   
   >> obviously stands one's ground in flinging the tests at   
   >> them. If one merely takes the norms and standards as   
   >> proclaimed in no self-stated, uncertain terms and   
   >> without disclaimers by some others and applies them   
   >> back to their authors, one does not stand one's ground   
   >> in criticising them, but stands their ground in criticising   
   >> them, in closed circle, in their own freely and voluntarily   
   >> declaimed norms and standards.   
   >   
   > Sorry, "no" got misplaced. It should have been:   
   >   
   > "If one merely takes the norms and standards as   
   > proclaimed in self-stated, no uncertain terms and   
   > without disclaimers by some others and applies   
   > them back to their authors ... "   
   >   
   > This way, one refrains from imposing oneself and   
   > one's norms and standards (however lofty or lowly)   
   > on others, but let them take responsibility for their   
   > declarations, as they know their English, unlike me,   
   > who still write in clumsy and unidiomatic English. If   
   > they misspeak, as I do above, they can always   
   > correct what they say, or retract it, or at least walk   
   > it back, but none of those occurs, and they let their   
   > words stand, like a promontory inviting the waves.   
   > So they should not be nonplussed when others   
   > take their words and apply them back to them.   
   >   
   > Everybody can also take my words and apply them   
   > back to me. Fair is fair. Please excoriate me for my   
   > hypocrisy, which I don't see. The more the merrier,   
   > and I shall thank you for it. Please don't give me a   
   > free pass.   
   >   
   > I take it to be a service that we render each other,   
   > in trying to make each other aware of how we live up   
   > to our words, or not. In general, I hope that we try to   
   > make each other see how others see us, to help us   
   > break out from our respective cocoon.   
   >   
   > Tang Huyen   
   >   
      
   The only cocoon you're in is the one you let the world apply during your   
   childhood.   
      
   The only way to outgrow the cocoon is to wake up and see it in your face.   
      
   If that isn't enough, there ain't any enough.   
      
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