XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: cuddly@mindless.com   
      
   On 10/27/2016 9:14 PM, noname wrote:   
   > liaM  wrote:   
   >> On 10/27/2016 8:50 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>> On 27/10/2016 20:47, brian mitchell wrote:   
   >>>> Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> If one tests others on the basis (on the ground) of one's   
   >>>>> norms and standards, which may or may not be shared   
   >>>>> by those to whom one directs one's testing, then one   
   >>>>> obviously stands one's ground in flinging the tests at   
   >>>>> them. If one merely takes the norms and standards as   
   >>>>> proclaimed in self-stated, no uncertain terms and   
   >>>>> without disclaimers by some others and applies them   
   >>>>> back to their authors, one does not stand one's ground   
   >>>>> in criticising them, but stands their ground in criticising   
   >>>>> them, in closed circle, in their own freely and voluntarily   
   >>>>> declaimed norms and standards. In a sense, one merely   
   >>>>> tries to raise their consciousness (as feminists used to   
   >>>>> say half a century ago) to themselves about their living   
   >>>>> up to their own norms and standards, or not. One is not   
   >>>>> trying to shake them (up or away) from their own norms   
   >>>>> and standards, even less to destroy them, rather one   
   >>>>> tries to stage a self-confrontation from their own side to   
   >>>>> help them see themselves in front of their own norms   
   >>>>> and standards, without injecting one's own norms and   
   >>>>> standards into the sandbox. One merely holds up a   
   >>>>> mirror to help them see themselves in front of their own   
   >>>>> norms and standards, without mixing oneself in the   
   >>>>> affair. If they want not to be so tested, they can quit   
   >>>>> proffering their norms and standards, or add   
   >>>>> disclaimers, or simply live up to them, in self-righteous   
   >>>>> justice and dignity, to avoid any appearance of   
   >>>>> hypocrisy, much less any reality of it.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The mind can be devilishly clever in devising ways to   
   >>>>> defend and protect itself, but it can also be ruthlessly   
   >>>>> honest to itself and open to itself, without need for   
   >>>>> external help. In both cases, it can be tested as to its   
   >>>>> sincerity. We here on Usenet are limited to mere words   
   >>>>> on the screen, but they can yet be quite effective in   
   >>>>> smoking out the poseurs, fakers and charlatans. A few   
   >>>>> words will do.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Enough talk already! Let's see some good, old-fashioned, red-blooded   
   >>>> smoking out of the poseurs, fakers and charlatans.   
   >>>   
   >>> That's one smoked out. :)   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> All your base are belong to us!  :) :) :)   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   > Then it's time for us to destroy our own base so we have nothing to stand   
   > on, right?   
   >   
      
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