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   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   dagnabit wrote with uncertain certainty:   
   > Wilson wrote in response to noname's paradigm:   
   >>   
   >> If something exists but is not manifest, where is it?   
   >   
   >if I understand correctly, everything exists either in manifestation   
   >in relative physical reality or in potential as in what is called the   
   >absolute. we only provide the correct conditions for things in   
   >potential to become actualized in the physical.   
      
   I'd just written something using some of the same words in   
   a different thread which was the same by another name.   
      
   Using an either/or paradigm how ever-is, it can be said, narrower.   
   Using a both-and as welling as a neither-nor can be even m'ore than.   
      
   >as an example, when you have all the pieces of a model airplane   
   >there is a potential model there and you provide the actions   
   >necessary for it to become an actual model.   
      
   And the actual model, which was to be built, did not exist   
   until it was actually built, no matter how much potential it had.   
      
   Hence a quibble can may be neither with the model nor the building   
   head-butt, rather, with the words being used to suggest a suggestion.   
      
   >thinking that we can actually create anything may be backwards   
   >thinking. anything that can be created Is already waiting in   
   >potential form.   
      
   To say, everything exists, potentially, in nonbeing,   
   undifferentiated, awaiting to be differentiated by those   
   who have a mind to give birth to some form of a slice of a whole   
   carved out of what isn't there as in the beginning can be said.   
      
   >bob dylan once said that he didn't think that he wrote any of   
   >his songs, but that they were already out there somewhere in   
   >the ether and he just somehow tuned into them.   
      
   In the Chuang-tzu are many stories about a fine tune tuned in two.   
      
   - as the wind cried and howled among the branches, merry   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)