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   noname to brian mitchell   
   Re: Meta (was Re: Stroking, online and o   
   04 Nov 16 09:54:34   
   
   XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   brian mitchell  wrote:   
   > Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 11/2/2016 9:18 AM, Lee Dillion wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Tang Huyen:   
   >>   
   >>>> The French have a saying: With increasing specialisation,   
   >>>> the experts will know everything about nothing.   
   >>   
   >>> This is a common problem across all areas of knowledge, it   
   >>> seems.  I see students with a lot of general common sense   
   >>> about problem solving struggle to gain specialized knowledge   
   >>> while retaining overall connections.  They can become so   
   >>> focused in their areas of expertise that they try to stuff all   
   >>> issues into their narrow area they have mastered rather than   
   >>> step back and see other connections and solutions.   
   >>>   
   >>> I fear I was much smarter years ago when I knew far less.   
   >>   
   >> Chomsky has harped much on the stupidity that universities   
   >> force down the throats of their students, though I don't   
   >> remember the exact wording. I think that I am lucky that I   
   >> did not get ground to bits by a post-graduate programme,   
   >> in which professors would have pushed me the way that   
   >> hamburger paste is made. I worked and studied on the side   
   >> on my own, as an hobby, without any professor breathing   
   >> down my neck and telling me what to think. I could and can   
   >> choose how to think from my own side, without external   
   >> help, and also without external interference, which in my   
   >> case would have been enormous since my thinking is quite   
   >> unorthodox, to put it mildly.   
   >>   
   >> And as I said many times before, to me there seems to be a   
   >> glass ceiling of abstraction against which the white scholars   
   >> in the humanities singly and collectively bump up and fall   
   >> down, even if they can discourse on methods of unity and   
   >> systematicity, paradigms, forms, structures, syntagmas, etc.   
   >> which they fail to apply insofar as they apparently take them   
   >> as content rather than form, though form is said to form and   
   >> inform the content since Plato and Aristotle. Strangely,   
   >> logicians and the logically minded philosophers who work   
   >> on the philosophy of philosophy are quite good at   
   >> discoursing on their expertise in content, but are unable to   
   >> take it as form to explain philosophy, which is what they   
   >> should do. They are mired in a morass of content and can   
   >> scarcely stand back to abstract the form from it. They   
   >> constantly teach criticality, higher critique, etc., but only in   
   >> content and scarcely jump in to apply them in the concrete,   
   >> namely whatever content of their various disciples is. The   
   >> non-white scholars in the humanities are not any better, and   
   >> possibly worse, be they at Nobel powerhouses like Tokyo   
   >> and Kyoto.   
   >>   
   >> As you say: "They can become so focused in their areas of   
   >> expertise that they try to stuff all issues into their narrow   
   >> area they have mastered rather than step back and see   
   >> other connections and solutions." I take your "they" to cover   
   >> all scholars in the humanities, including the luminaries like   
   >> Kant, Hegel, Husserl, Heidegger.   
   >>   
   >> Pretty grandiose, eh? But as the former contributor (now   
   >> dead?) Theravad used to say, one should reach beyond   
   >> one's grasp, which is what I am trying to do. Quixotic, but   
   >> why not? At most, I fail.   
   >   
   > A useful practice that most academics follow is to provide examples   
   > and/or citations to bolster the propositions they put forward. It   
   > seems to me that in the realm of abstract concepts the distinction   
   > between form and content is so fine as to be mostly invisible. Can you   
   > give an example of a "white scholar" floundering about in content   
   > while ignoring the form they were better to be focusing on? Just a   
   > short extract would be enough to give a sense of your meaning here.   
   >   
      
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