XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen
From: invalid@invalid.invalid
Nobody in Particular wrote:
> On 11/4/2016 10:37 AM, noname wrote:
>> Trump might be a bastard but I don't perceive
>> him to be a lying bastard...
>
> • "Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I
> watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of
> people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of
> people were cheering."
>
> • An American-born judge must be biased against Trump because of his
> Mexican heritage. Paul Ryan: "textbook definition of a racist comment"
>
> • Barack Obama founded ISIS
>
> • Ted Cruz' father was with Lee Harvey Oswald
>
> • The Obama administration was actively supporting Al Qaeda in Iraq
>
> • Hillary wants all violent criminals released from jail
>
> • The employment rate recently may be as high as 42%
>
> • Blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims
>
> • President Barack Obama wants to take in 250,000 (people) from Syria
>
> • The federal government is sending refugees to states with governors
> who are Republicans, not to the Democrats
>
> • Bernie Sanders is going to "tax you people at 90 percent"
>
> • Illegal immigration "wasn’t a subject that was on anybody’s mind
until
> I brought it up at my announcement."
>
> • The number of illegal immigrants in the United States is "30 million,
> it could be 34 million."
>
> • "The Mexican government forces many bad people into our country."
>
> • "The last quarter, it was just announced, our gross domestic product
> was below zero. Who ever heard of this? It's never below zero."
>
> • President Barack Obama’s Oct 7, 2014 New York fundraising trip "cost
> between $25 million and $50 million."
>
> • "If you're from Syria and you're a Christian, you cannot come into
> this country" as a refugee
>
> • John McCain "has done nothing to help the vets."
>
> • "We’re the most highly taxed nation in the world."
>
> • Under the Iran deal: "If Israel attacks Iran … we’re supposed to be
on
> Iran’s side."
>
> • "The birther movement was started by Hillary Clinton in 2008. She was
> all in!"
>
> • "We (Trump University) have an ‘A’ from the Better Business Bureau."
>
> • "I was totally against the war in Iraq, saying for many years that it
> would destabilize the Middle East."
>
> • "I was among the earliest to criticize the rush to war (in Iraq), and
> yes, even before the war ever started."
>
> • "In the history of Republican primaries, I’ve gotten the most votes in
> the history of the Republican party."
>
> • Hillary Clinton "wants to abolish the Second Amendment."
>
> • There is "no system to vet" refugees from the Middle East.
>
> • The Benghazi victims were "left helpless to die as Hillary Clinton
> soundly slept in her bed."
>
> • Hillary Clinton’s immigration platform would "create totally open
> borders."
>
> • Hillary Clinton is "proposing to print instant work permits for
> millions of illegal immigrants to come in and take everybody's jobs,
> including low-income African-Americans."
>
> • Hillary Clinton "wants to raise taxes on African-American owned
> businesses to as much as nearly 50 percent more than they're paying now."
>
> • "Hillary Clinton wants to shut down family farms" using "radical
> regulation," by raising business tax "rates as high as nearly 50
> percent" and by taxing "family farms again at death by as much as 45
> percent."
>
> • "I released the most extensive financial review of anybody in the
> history of politics. … You don't learn much in a tax return."
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>> ... in fact I think he's often hoist on his own
>> honesty.
>
> Name one, just one, example of this.
>
>
You listed a bunch of statements. Apparently these are words that Trump
has spoken, but I don't know that to be a fact. I've seen a lot of
fact-checking sites. American media has run fact-checking up as a new flag
for voters to rally under. Is your list above something you've
collected... no, that doesn't matter really, it just doesn't matter.
Tickey-mark buyers make up their lists and buy what their facts indicate to
be the most widely approved product. The tikey-mark buyers probably bought
lots of Samsung devices before they started exhibiting their battery
defects.
I don't collect facts. The bad thing about collecting facts is that you
have to validate them before entering them in your fact collection. And
then you have to wait for more facts to turn up and contradict them. A
fellow can end up as a 24x7 fact hoarder if he isn't careful. And then the
fact hoarder can end up sitting and wondering "how did that happen" if all
this facts were in fact true, because if they were all true something else
should've happened. It's a lot more reliable not to depend on facts, or
laws for that matter. It's the wording that makes facts slippery and laws
filled with loopholes. Facts are content, details of context, they change
with the wind as the world shows you that whatever you knew it was, it was
not.
Does a statement state the actual facts, or does it present a view of the
facts that makes them look happy or sad? Is there a difference between the
letter of the law and the spirit of the law?
I don't remember everything Trump has said, and I don't remember any
specific examples where he has been hoist by his own honesty, maybe the
locker-room-talk thing where he said yeah, he made those words, maybe not.
One thing I know for sure is that I don't have access to all the facts, or
even to enough of the facts to work with in a reasonable way. Knowing one
is bereft of factual information, whatever can one do, oh my.
One can sometimes listen in a way that hears meanings instead of words.
When I listen to Trump what I hear is this bombastic practical guy saying
listen folks, there are problems here to be solved, and the establishment
has not been solving them, let's get the work done for a change before it's
too late. I think that's true, there are problems, and the establishment
has not been solving them, it's been exacerbating them.
When I listen to Hilary what I hear is a pompous self-righteous failure
smugly decrying anything other than the approach the establishment has been
proving not to work for decades. I hear how She knows better than anybody
how true equality for the LGBT group is important (and they can never be
truly equal because they are not equal, they are different from others and
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