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   From: cuddly@mindless.com   
      
   On 11/5/2016 11:28 PM, dagnabit wrote:   
   > "Julian"  wrote in message news:nvljhg$gne$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>   
   >> On 05/11/2016 22:25, dagnabit wrote:   
   >> > "Nobody in Particular"  wrote in message >   
   >> news:nvlhf9$9fu$1@dont-email.me...   
   >> >>   
   >> >> On 11/5/2016 3:31 AM, noname wrote:   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > You listed a bunch of statements.  Apparently these are words that   
   >> >> Trump   
   >> >> > has spoken, but I don't know that to be a fact.  I've seen a lot of   
   >> >> > fact-checking sites.  American media has run fact-checking up as a   
   >> >> new > flag   
   >> >> > for voters to rally under.  Is your list above something you've   
   >> >> > collected... no, that doesn't matter really, it just doesn't matter.   
   >> >> > Tickey-mark buyers make up their lists and buy what their facts   
   >> >> indicate > to   
   >> >> > be the most widely approved product.  The tikey-mark buyers probably   
   >> >> > bought   
   >> >> > lots of Samsung devices before they started exhibiting their battery   
   >> >> > defects.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > I don't collect facts.  The bad thing about collecting facts is that   
   >> >> you   
   >> >> > have to validate them before entering them in your fact collection.   
   >> >> And   
   >> >> > then you have to wait for more facts to turn up and contradict   
   >> them. >> > A   
   >> >> > fellow can end up as a 24x7 fact hoarder if he isn't careful.  And   
   >> >> then > the   
   >> >> > fact hoarder can end up sitting and wondering "how did that happen"   
   >> >> if > all   
   >> >> > this facts were in fact true, because if they were all true   
   >> >> something > else   
   >> >> > should've happened.  It's a lot more reliable not to depend on   
   >> >> facts, or   
   >> >> > laws for that matter.  It's the wording that makes facts slippery   
   >> >> and > laws   
   >> >> > filled with loopholes.  Facts are content, details of context, they   
   >> >> > change   
   >> >> > with the wind as the world shows you that whatever you knew it was,   
   >> >> it > was   
   >> >> > not.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > Does a statement state the actual facts, or does it present a view   
   >> >> of > the   
   >> >> > facts that makes them look happy or sad?  Is there a difference   
   >> >> between > the   
   >> >> > letter of the law and the spirit of the law?   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > I don't remember everything Trump has said, and I don't remember any   
   >> >> > specific examples where he has been hoist by his own honesty,   
   >> maybe >> > the   
   >> >> > locker-room-talk thing where he said yeah, he made those words,   
   >> >> maybe > not.   
   >> >> > One thing I know for sure is that I don't have access to all the   
   >> >> facts, > or   
   >> >> > even to enough of the facts to work with in a reasonable way.   
   >> >> Knowing > one   
   >> >> > is bereft of factual information, whatever can one do, oh my.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > One can sometimes listen in a way that hears meanings instead of   
   >> >> > words.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > When I listen to Trump what I hear is this bombastic practical guy >   
   >> >> saying   
   >> >> > listen folks, there are problems here to be solved, and the >   
   >> >> establishment   
   >> >> > has not been solving them, let's get the work done for a change   
   >> >> before > it's   
   >> >> > too late.  I think that's true, there are problems, and the >   
   >> >> establishment   
   >> >> > has not been solving them, it's been exacerbating them.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > When I listen to Hilary what I hear is a pompous self-righteous   
   >> >> > failure   
   >> >> > smugly decrying anything other than the approach the establishment   
   >> >> has > been   
   >> >> > proving not to work for decades.  I hear how She knows better than >   
   >> >> anybody   
   >> >> > how true equality for the LGBT group is important (and they can   
   >> >> never be   
   >> >> > truly equal because they are not equal, they are different from   
   >> >> others > and   
   >> >> > from each other just like the rest of us are different from each   
   >> >> other) > and   
   >> >> > how the US has to stand by its treaties unaltered forever and how   
   >> >> the US   
   >> >> > has to defend other countries and how the US Government has to make   
   >> >> > things   
   >> >> > nice for the poor so they can continue to live in poverty.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > Some people make decisions based on "facts" and lists of >> >   
   >> tickey-marks,   
   >> >> > others don't make decisions the same way. Do what you need to do.  I   
   >> >> > need   
   >> >> > to stick by my opinion that popular opinion has damn little to do   
   >> >> > with   
   >> >> > what's right.   
   >> >>   
   >> >> Wow.   
   >> >> I've come across true-believers before with the attitude, "I have made   
   >> >> up my mind, don't confuse me with facts", but i have never come across   
   >> >> someone who actually defends that attitude, much less so eloquently.   
   >> >>   
   >> >> Anyway, when i listen to Trump, what i hear is this narcissistic   
   >> >> sociopath who says, "I want the ultimate ego-boost, the US presidency.   
   >> >> I will say anything, anything at all, true or not, actually mostly   
   >> >> lies, that you want to hear me say so you will vote for me. I have no   
   >> >> idea how to implement them, and actually have no intention whatsoever   
   >> >> to do any of those things, I only say that stuff because you want to   
   >> >> hear me say it. Don't look at "facts" that show that I have never,   
   >> >> ever done anything for others unless that benefits me directly, in   
   >> >> fact, I have shafted pretty much everyone I ever dealt with. I don't   
   >> >> give a shit what you want me to do for you, or for the country; I just   
   >> >> say all that stuff so I will get your vote."   
   >> >   
   >> > so all of a sudden, after how many years of dishonest politicians, we   
   >> > now expect trump to be the first honest one? strange how political   
   >> > expectations have become so unrealistic.   
   >> >   
   >> > politics is really just an odd form of advertising which has to be   
   >> > dishonest to work because there is no other model to choose from.   
   >> > same with politicians. if anyone running for office outlined exactly   
   >> > what they will do if elected, or what the true state of affairs >   
   >> currently   
   >> > was, they'd never get elected.   
   >>   
   >> How could they outline exactly what they would do if they were elected   
   >> without knowing exactly what the future hold.. which they don't.   
   >>   
   >> As you imply(?) Has there ever been a politician who has said they would   
   >> do this or that to get elected and then after being elected done   
   >> exactly that this or that?   
   >>   
   >> Even if they weren't dishonest they can't escape the fundamental   
   >> ground of all being... ignorance.   
   >   
   > stupidity should be painful   
      
   Just wait.   
      
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