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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   Nobody in Particular  wrote:   
   > On 11/5/2016 3:31 AM, noname wrote:   
   >>   
   >> You listed a bunch of statements.  Apparently these are words that Trump   
   >> has spoken, but I don't know that to be a fact.  I've seen a lot of   
   >> fact-checking sites.  American media has run fact-checking up as a new flag   
   >> for voters to rally under.  Is your list above something you've   
   >> collected... no, that doesn't matter really, it just doesn't matter.   
   >> Tickey-mark buyers make up their lists and buy what their facts indicate to   
   >> be the most widely approved product.  The tikey-mark buyers probably bought   
   >> lots of Samsung devices before they started exhibiting their battery   
   >> defects.   
   >>   
   >> I don't collect facts.  The bad thing about collecting facts is that you   
   >> have to validate them before entering them in your fact collection.  And   
   >> then you have to wait for more facts to turn up and contradict them.  A   
   >> fellow can end up as a 24x7 fact hoarder if he isn't careful.  And then the   
   >> fact hoarder can end up sitting and wondering "how did that happen" if all   
   >> this facts were in fact true, because if they were all true something else   
   >> should've happened.  It's a lot more reliable not to depend on facts, or   
   >> laws for that matter.  It's the wording that makes facts slippery and laws   
   >> filled with loopholes.  Facts are content, details of context, they change   
   >> with the wind as the world shows you that whatever you knew it was, it was   
   >> not.   
   >>   
   >> Does a statement state the actual facts, or does it present a view of the   
   >> facts that makes them look happy or sad?  Is there a difference between the   
   >> letter of the law and the spirit of the law?   
   >>   
   >> I don't remember everything Trump has said, and I don't remember any   
   >> specific examples where he has been hoist by his own honesty, maybe the   
   >> locker-room-talk thing where he said yeah, he made those words, maybe not.   
   >> One thing I know for sure is that I don't have access to all the facts, or   
   >> even to enough of the facts to work with in a reasonable way.  Knowing one   
   >> is bereft of factual information, whatever can one do, oh my.   
   >>   
   >> One can sometimes listen in a way that hears meanings instead of words.   
   >>   
   >> When I listen to Trump what I hear is this bombastic practical guy saying   
   >> listen folks, there are problems here to be solved, and the establishment   
   >> has not been solving them, let's get the work done for a change before it's   
   >> too late.  I think that's true, there are problems, and the establishment   
   >> has not been solving them, it's been exacerbating them.   
   >>   
   >> When I listen to Hilary what I hear is a pompous self-righteous failure   
   >> smugly decrying anything other than the approach the establishment has been   
   >> proving not to work for decades.  I hear how She knows better than anybody   
   >> how true equality for the LGBT group is important (and they can never be   
   >> truly equal because they are not equal, they are different from others and   
   >> from each other just like the rest of us are different from each other) and   
   >> how the US has to stand by its treaties unaltered forever and how the US   
   >> has to defend other countries and how the US Government has to make things   
   >> nice for the poor so they can continue to live in poverty.   
   >>   
   >> Some people make decisions based on "facts" and lists of tickey-marks,   
   >> others don't make decisions the same way. Do what you need to do.  I need   
   >> to stick by my opinion that popular opinion has damn little to do with   
   >> what's right.   
   >   
   > Wow.   
   > I've come across true-believers before with the attitude, "I have made   
   > up my mind, don't confuse me with facts", but i have never come across   
   > someone who actually defends that attitude, much less so eloquently.   
   >   
   > Anyway, when i listen to Trump, what i hear is this narcissistic   
   > sociopath who says, "I want the ultimate ego-boost, the US presidency.   
   > I will say anything, anything at all, true or not, actually mostly lies,   
   > that you want to hear me say so you will vote for me. I have no idea how   
   > to implement them, and actually have no intention whatsoever to do any   
   > of those things, I only say that stuff because you want to hear me say   
   > it. Don't look at "facts" that show that I have never, ever done   
   > anything for others unless that benefits me directly, in fact, I have   
   > shafted pretty much everyone I ever dealt with. I don't give a shit what   
   > you want me to do for you, or for the country; I just say all that stuff   
   > so I will get your vote."   
   >   
      
   Sounds like what I hear when Clinton speaks.   
      
   Here's the deal: it doesn't matter.   
      
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