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From: invalid@invalid.invalid
Julian wrote:
> On 06/11/2016 01:15, noname wrote:
>> liaM wrote:
>>> On 11/5/2016 10:39 PM, Julian wrote:
>>>> On 05/11/2016 22:25, dagnabit wrote:
>>>>> "Nobody in Particular" wrote in message
>>>>> news:nvlhf9$9fu$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/5/2016 3:31 AM, noname wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You listed a bunch of statements. Apparently these are words that
>>>>>> Trump
>>>>>>> has spoken, but I don't know that to be a fact. I've seen a lot of
>>>>>>> fact-checking sites. American media has run fact-checking up as a
>>>>>> new > flag
>>>>>>> for voters to rally under. Is your list above something you've
>>>>>>> collected... no, that doesn't matter really, it just doesn't matter.
>>>>>>> Tickey-mark buyers make up their lists and buy what their facts
>>>>>> indicate > to
>>>>>>> be the most widely approved product. The tikey-mark buyers probably
>>>>>>> bought
>>>>>>> lots of Samsung devices before they started exhibiting their battery
>>>>>>> defects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't collect facts. The bad thing about collecting facts is that
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> have to validate them before entering them in your fact collection.
>>>>>> And
>>>>>>> then you have to wait for more facts to turn up and contradict
>>>>>> them. A
>>>>>>> fellow can end up as a 24x7 fact hoarder if he isn't careful. And
>>>>>> then > the
>>>>>>> fact hoarder can end up sitting and wondering "how did that happen"
>>>>>> if > all
>>>>>>> this facts were in fact true, because if they were all true
>>>>>> something > else
>>>>>>> should've happened. It's a lot more reliable not to depend on
>>>>>> facts, or
>>>>>>> laws for that matter. It's the wording that makes facts slippery
>>>>>> and > laws
>>>>>>> filled with loopholes. Facts are content, details of context, they
>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>> with the wind as the world shows you that whatever you knew it was,
>>>>>> it > was
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does a statement state the actual facts, or does it present a view
>>>>>> of > the
>>>>>>> facts that makes them look happy or sad? Is there a difference
>>>>>> between > the
>>>>>>> letter of the law and the spirit of the law?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't remember everything Trump has said, and I don't remember any
>>>>>>> specific examples where he has been hoist by his own honesty, maybe
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> locker-room-talk thing where he said yeah, he made those words,
>>>>>> maybe > not.
>>>>>>> One thing I know for sure is that I don't have access to all the
>>>>>> facts, > or
>>>>>>> even to enough of the facts to work with in a reasonable way.
>>>>>> Knowing > one
>>>>>>> is bereft of factual information, whatever can one do, oh my.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One can sometimes listen in a way that hears meanings instead of
>>>>>> words.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I listen to Trump what I hear is this bombastic practical guy >
>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>> listen folks, there are problems here to be solved, and the >
>>>>>> establishment
>>>>>>> has not been solving them, let's get the work done for a change
>>>>>> before > it's
>>>>>>> too late. I think that's true, there are problems, and the >
>>>>>> establishment
>>>>>>> has not been solving them, it's been exacerbating them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I listen to Hilary what I hear is a pompous self-righteous
>>>>>> failure
>>>>>>> smugly decrying anything other than the approach the establishment
>>>>>> has > been
>>>>>>> proving not to work for decades. I hear how She knows better than >
>>>>>> anybody
>>>>>>> how true equality for the LGBT group is important (and they can
>>>>>> never be
>>>>>>> truly equal because they are not equal, they are different from
>>>>>> others > and
>>>>>>> from each other just like the rest of us are different from each
>>>>>> other) > and
>>>>>>> how the US has to stand by its treaties unaltered forever and how
>>>>>> the US
>>>>>>> has to defend other countries and how the US Government has to make
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> nice for the poor so they can continue to live in poverty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people make decisions based on "facts" and lists of tickey-marks,
>>>>>>> others don't make decisions the same way. Do what you need to do. I
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to stick by my opinion that popular opinion has damn little to do with
>>>>>>> what's right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>> I've come across true-believers before with the attitude, "I have made
>>>>>> up my mind, don't confuse me with facts", but i have never come across
>>>>>> someone who actually defends that attitude, much less so eloquently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, when i listen to Trump, what i hear is this narcissistic
>>>>>> sociopath who says, "I want the ultimate ego-boost, the US presidency.
>>>>>> I will say anything, anything at all, true or not, actually mostly
>>>>>> lies, that you want to hear me say so you will vote for me. I have no
>>>>>> idea how to implement them, and actually have no intention whatsoever
>>>>>> to do any of those things, I only say that stuff because you want to
>>>>>> hear me say it. Don't look at "facts" that show that I have never,
>>>>>> ever done anything for others unless that benefits me directly, in
>>>>>> fact, I have shafted pretty much everyone I ever dealt with. I don't
>>>>>> give a shit what you want me to do for you, or for the country; I just
>>>>>> say all that stuff so I will get your vote."
>>>>>
>>>>> so all of a sudden, after how many years of dishonest politicians, we
>>>>> now expect trump to be the first honest one? strange how political
>>>>> expectations have become so unrealistic.
>>>>>
>>>>> politics is really just an odd form of advertising which has to be
>>>>> dishonest to work because there is no other model to choose from.
>>>>> same with politicians. if anyone running for office outlined exactly
>>>>> what they will do if elected, or what the true state of affairs currently
>>>>> was, they'd never get elected.
>>>>
>>>> How could they outline exactly what they would do if they were elected
>>>> without knowing exactly what the future hold.. which they don't.
>>>>
>>>> As you imply(?) Has there ever been a politician who has said they would
>>>> do this or that to get elected and then after being elected done exactly
>>>> that this or that?
>>>>
>>>> Even if they weren't dishonest they can't escape the fundamental
>>>> ground of all being... ignorance.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Amen :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The other thing you do when you "outline a plan" is to spell out the rules
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