XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy.zen, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: julianlzb87@gmail.com   
      
   On 06/11/2016 08:21, noname wrote:   
   > Julian  wrote:   
   >> On 06/11/2016 01:15, noname wrote:   
   >>> liaM  wrote:   
   >>>> On 11/5/2016 10:39 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>>>> On 05/11/2016 22:25, dagnabit wrote:   
   >>>>>> "Nobody in Particular"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>> news:nvlhf9$9fu$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 11/5/2016 3:31 AM, noname wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You listed a bunch of statements.  Apparently these are words that   
   >>>>>>> Trump   
   >>>>>>>> has spoken, but I don't know that to be a fact.  I've seen a lot of   
   >>>>>>>> fact-checking sites.  American media has run fact-checking up as a   
   >>>>>>> new > flag   
   >>>>>>>> for voters to rally under.  Is your list above something you've   
   >>>>>>>> collected... no, that doesn't matter really, it just doesn't matter.   
   >>>>>>>> Tickey-mark buyers make up their lists and buy what their facts   
   >>>>>>> indicate > to   
   >>>>>>>> be the most widely approved product.  The tikey-mark buyers probably   
   >>>>>>>> bought   
   >>>>>>>> lots of Samsung devices before they started exhibiting their battery   
   >>>>>>>> defects.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I don't collect facts.  The bad thing about collecting facts is that   
   >>>>>>> you   
   >>>>>>>> have to validate them before entering them in your fact collection.   
   >>>>>>> And   
   >>>>>>>> then you have to wait for more facts to turn up and contradict   
   >>>>>>> them.  A   
   >>>>>>>> fellow can end up as a 24x7 fact hoarder if he isn't careful.  And   
   >>>>>>> then > the   
   >>>>>>>> fact hoarder can end up sitting and wondering "how did that happen"   
   >>>>>>> if > all   
   >>>>>>>> this facts were in fact true, because if they were all true   
   >>>>>>> something > else   
   >>>>>>>> should've happened.  It's a lot more reliable not to depend on   
   >>>>>>> facts, or   
   >>>>>>>> laws for that matter.  It's the wording that makes facts slippery   
   >>>>>>> and > laws   
   >>>>>>>> filled with loopholes.  Facts are content, details of context, they   
   >>>>>>>> change   
   >>>>>>>> with the wind as the world shows you that whatever you knew it was,   
   >>>>>>> it > was   
   >>>>>>>> not.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Does a statement state the actual facts, or does it present a view   
   >>>>>>> of > the   
   >>>>>>>> facts that makes them look happy or sad?  Is there a difference   
   >>>>>>> between > the   
   >>>>>>>> letter of the law and the spirit of the law?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I don't remember everything Trump has said, and I don't remember any   
   >>>>>>>> specific examples where he has been hoist by his own honesty, maybe   
   >>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>> locker-room-talk thing where he said yeah, he made those words,   
   >>>>>>> maybe > not.   
   >>>>>>>> One thing I know for sure is that I don't have access to all the   
   >>>>>>> facts, > or   
   >>>>>>>> even to enough of the facts to work with in a reasonable way.   
   >>>>>>> Knowing > one   
   >>>>>>>> is bereft of factual information, whatever can one do, oh my.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> One can sometimes listen in a way that hears meanings instead of   
   >>>>>>> words.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> When I listen to Trump what I hear is this bombastic practical guy >   
   >>>>>>> saying   
   >>>>>>>> listen folks, there are problems here to be solved, and the >   
   >>>>>>> establishment   
   >>>>>>>> has not been solving them, let's get the work done for a change   
   >>>>>>> before > it's   
   >>>>>>>> too late.  I think that's true, there are problems, and the >   
   >>>>>>> establishment   
   >>>>>>>> has not been solving them, it's been exacerbating them.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> When I listen to Hilary what I hear is a pompous self-righteous   
   >>>>>>> failure   
   >>>>>>>> smugly decrying anything other than the approach the establishment   
   >>>>>>> has > been   
   >>>>>>>> proving not to work for decades.  I hear how She knows better than >   
   >>>>>>> anybody   
   >>>>>>>> how true equality for the LGBT group is important (and they can   
   >>>>>>> never be   
   >>>>>>>> truly equal because they are not equal, they are different from   
   >>>>>>> others > and   
   >>>>>>>> from each other just like the rest of us are different from each   
   >>>>>>> other) > and   
   >>>>>>>> how the US has to stand by its treaties unaltered forever and how   
   >>>>>>> the US   
   >>>>>>>> has to defend other countries and how the US Government has to make   
   >>>>>>>> things   
   >>>>>>>> nice for the poor so they can continue to live in poverty.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Some people make decisions based on "facts" and lists of tickey-marks,   
   >>>>>>>> others don't make decisions the same way. Do what you need to do.  I   
   >>>>>>>> need   
   >>>>>>>> to stick by my opinion that popular opinion has damn little to do with   
   >>>>>>>> what's right.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Wow.   
   >>>>>>> I've come across true-believers before with the attitude, "I have made   
   >>>>>>> up my mind, don't confuse me with facts", but i have never come across   
   >>>>>>> someone who actually defends that attitude, much less so eloquently.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Anyway, when i listen to Trump, what i hear is this narcissistic   
   >>>>>>> sociopath who says, "I want the ultimate ego-boost, the US presidency.   
   >>>>>>> I will say anything, anything at all, true or not, actually mostly   
   >>>>>>> lies, that you want to hear me say so you will vote for me. I have no   
   >>>>>>> idea how to implement them, and actually have no intention whatsoever   
   >>>>>>> to do any of those things, I only say that stuff because you want to   
   >>>>>>> hear me say it. Don't look at "facts" that show that I have never,   
   >>>>>>> ever done anything for others unless that benefits me directly, in   
   >>>>>>> fact, I have shafted pretty much everyone I ever dealt with. I don't   
   >>>>>>> give a shit what you want me to do for you, or for the country; I just   
   >>>>>>> say all that stuff so I will get your vote."   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> so all of a sudden, after how many years of dishonest politicians, we   
   >>>>>> now expect trump to be the first honest one? strange how political   
   >>>>>> expectations have become so unrealistic.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> politics is really just an odd form of advertising which has to be   
   >>>>>> dishonest to work because there is no other model to choose from.   
   >>>>>> same with politicians. if anyone running for office outlined exactly   
   >>>>>> what they will do if elected, or what the true state of affairs   
   currently   
   >>>>>> was, they'd never get elected.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> How could they outline exactly what they would do if they were elected   
   >>>>> without knowing exactly what the future hold.. which they don't.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> As you imply(?) Has there ever been a politician who has said they would   
   >>>>> do this or that to get elected and then after being elected done exactly   
   >>>>> that this or that?   
   >>>>>   
      
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