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   From: tanghuyen@gmail.com   
      
   On 11/6/2016 9:14 AM, dagnabit wrote:   
      
   > that certainly does seem to be what god appears as,   
   > yet if there is an understanding that as "we" made a   
   > descent into grosser and grosser forms of physical   
   > density until we came to this glob of protoplasm, our   
   > perspective falls dwell specific to that density and the   
   > levels of lesser and lesser density may only seem to be   
   > a reverie of sorts and dripping with glossy attributes and   
   > nowhere near our current comfort zone levels of negotiation,   
   > so god may seem aloof when it is just that he is non-local   
   > and non-linear and cannot sufficiently act in a grosser arena   
   > of expression like the one that we enjoy. or, maybe not.   
      
   Very sorry, Jen chérie, as I have said a few times lately, I   
   often fail to understand you, specially early in your descent   
   into grosser forms on Buddhist Usenet in 2002.   
      
   People kept asking me what I meant (and what Buddhism   
   meant) in the famous expression: "unsupported thought",   
   "un-established mind". (Those are two common translations   
   for one single expression in Indo-Aryan dialects). I struggled   
   to explain, but then it dawned on me that you often used a   
   close equivalent in your inimitable English: "dwell specific",   
   which relates to the same basic meaning of "stay", "stand",   
   "remain", "stick to", "hang on to", etc.   
      
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   So, what the "unsupported thought", "un-established mind"   
   means is a thought/mind that refrains from dwelling specific to   
   anything, itself included. It floats along with what happens, in   
   raft attention, but does not hang on to, or resist, any bit of it.   
   What happens is allowed to happen (and not blocked out), and   
   treated as clouds passing in the sky or water sliding off a duck's   
   back. Samsara comes, fine, Nirvana comes, fine, they make no   
   difference to it. It takes all kinds.   
      
   Thank you again, Jen chérie, for your felicitous language.   
      
   Tang Huyen   
      
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    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)