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   > dagnabit  wrote:   
   > > "Ray Of Heaven the Son of Man the Faithful & True"  wrote in message   
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   > >> On 11/7/2016 2:00 PM, dagnabit wrote:   
   > >>> "noname"  wrote in message news:nvqaga$ic1$5@dont-email.me...   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> dagnabit  wrote:   
   > >>>>> "noname"  wrote in message news:nvpo7a$frl$1@dont-email.me...   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> dagnabit  wrote:   
   > >>>>>>> "noname"  wrote in message news:nvo4ho$542$1@dont-email.me...   
   > >>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>> dagnabit  wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>>> "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
   > >>>>>>>>> news:6623017b-35e1-7321-9055-a40c13163a0f@gmail.com...   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/2016 9:14 AM, dagnabit wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> that certainly does seem to be what god appears as,   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> yet if there is an understanding that as "we" made a   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> descent into grosser and grosser forms of physical   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> density until we came to this glob of protoplasm, our   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> perspective falls dwell specific to that density and the   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> levels of lesser and lesser density may only seem to be   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> a reverie of sorts and dripping with glossy attributes and   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> nowhere near our current comfort zone levels of negotiation,   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> so god may seem aloof when it is just that he is non-local   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> and non-linear and cannot sufficiently act in a grosser arena   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> of expression like the one that we enjoy. or, maybe not.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> Very sorry, Jen chérie, as I have said a few times lately, I   
   > >>>>>>>>>> often fail to understand you, specially early in your descent   
   > >>>>>>>>>> into grosser forms on Buddhist Usenet in 2002.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> People kept asking me what I meant (and what Buddhism   
   > >>>>>>>>>> meant) in the famous expression: "unsupported thought",   
   > >>>>>>>>>> "un-established mind". (Those are two common translations   
   > >>>>>>>>>> for one single expression in Indo-Aryan dialects). I struggled   
   > >>>>>>>>>> to explain, but then it dawned on me that you often used a   
   > >>>>>>>>>> close equivalent in your inimitable English: "dwell specific",   
   > >>>>>>>>>> which relates to the same basic meaning of "stay", "stand",   
   > >>>>>>>>>> "remain", "stick to", "hang on to", etc.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> relying on an appearance of individualisms in order to   
   > >>>>>>>>>> extrapolate a clarity of focus which is dwell specific cohesive   
   > >>>>>>>>>> to any particular agenda, or there can be a similar negotiation   
   > >>>>>>>>>> due to the arena of what is seen as interconnectedness. one   
   > >>>>>>>>>> doesn't appear to be anymore auspicious than the other   
   > >>>>>>>>>> though. as long as what might be termed "depth of focus"   
   > >>>>>>>>>> ensues then a deepening clarity can persist in contrast to   
   > >>>>>>>>>> what gurdjieff called the sleepwalking public.>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> zone that dwells specific to the momentum of the trajectory   
   > >>>>>>>>>> of a given perspective, there can be a natural tendency to   
   > >>>>>>>>>> resist anything that hasn't been completely explored   
   > >>>>>>>>>> throughout the filtering schema of the comfort zone itself.   
   > >>>>>>>>>> this   
   > >>>>>>>>>> enhances the stagnation of the trajectory momentum agenda   
   > >>>>>>>>>> and can effectively hold the comfort zone in check when it   
   > >>>>>>>>>> originally was formulated by the momentum instead of its   
   > >>>>>>>>>> stagnation.>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> causality and eternal subsequent consequence to a less than   
   > >>>>>>>>>> contrived frequency, dissolved at least a dozen universes due   
   > >>>>>>>>>> to dwell specific resonant drift, and held the vibrational   
   > >>>>>>>>>> confinement of inter-sub-ratio aspect determinisms to their   
   > >>>>>>>>>> least frequent usual-ness, and yet no one even blinks.>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> collective one. where one allows a dwell specific point of   
   > >>>>>>>>>> focus to gravitate is purely arbitrary. has anyone convinced   
   > >>>>>>>>>> you that you need to see things from either view, or any other   
   > >>>>>>>>>> admixtural combination of the two? and if you think that your   
   > >>>>>>>>>> larger self, as you coin it, could be tunnel visioned by human   
   > >>>>>>>>>> qualities such as anger, you may wish to dig a little deeper.   
   > >>>>>>>>>> or   
   > >>>>>>>>>> maybe not.>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> So, what the "unsupported thought", "un-established mind"   
   > >>>>>>>>>> means is a thought/mind that refrains from dwelling specific to   
   > >>>>>>>>>> anything, itself included. It floats along with what happens,   
   > >>>>>>>>>> in   
   > >>>>>>>>>> raft attention, but does not hang on to, or resist, any bit of   
   > >>>>>>>>>> it.   
   > >>>>>>>>>> What happens is allowed to happen (and not blocked out), and   
   > >>>>>>>>>> treated as clouds passing in the sky or water sliding off a   
   > >>>>>>>>>> duck's   
   > >>>>>>>>>> back. Samsara comes, fine, Nirvana comes, fine, they make no   
   > >>>>>>>>>> difference to it. It takes all kinds.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you again, Jen chérie, for your felicitous language.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> Tang Huyen   
   > >>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>> oddly enough, for those who don't understand it,   
   > >>>>>>>>> it's pretty much useless because they can't grasp   
   > >>>>>>>>> its meaning, and for those that do understand it, it's   
   > >>>>>>>>> pretty much useless because they are already there.   
   > >>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>> At least it shows poor Tang how he is supposed to think if he   
   > >>>> wishes >>>> to   
   > >>>>>>>> grow up big and awakened, unfortunately there might be too much   
   > >>>> rebel   
   > >>>>>>>> in   
   > >>>>>>>> the mix to permit him to comply with what is externally imposed   
   > >>>>>>>> and   
   > >>>>>>>> it's   
   > >>>>>>>> all been a waste of time.  Or he awakens, and it's all been a   
   > >>>> waste >>>> of   
   > >>>>>>>> time.  It's ours to waste, as the wasteland testifies.   
   > >>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> I agree that it's all a waste of time, the entire reality,   
      
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