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Ray Of Heaven the Son of Man the Faithful & True
wrote:
> On 11/7/2016 7:03 PM, noname wrote:
>> dagnabit wrote:
>>> "Ray Of Heaven the Son of Man the Faithful & True" wrote in message
>>> news:nvqo31$5k2$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 11/7/2016 2:00 PM, dagnabit wrote:
>>>>> "noname" wrote in message news:nvqaga$ic1$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>> "noname" wrote in message news:nvpo7a$frl$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "noname" wrote in message news:nvo4ho$542$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Tang Huyen" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:6623017b-35e1-7321-9055-a40c13163a0f@gmail.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/2016 9:14 AM, dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that certainly does seem to be what god appears as,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet if there is an understanding that as "we" made a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> descent into grosser and grosser forms of physical
>>>>>>>>>>>>> density until we came to this glob of protoplasm, our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective falls dwell specific to that density and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels of lesser and lesser density may only seem to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a reverie of sorts and dripping with glossy attributes and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nowhere near our current comfort zone levels of negotiation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so god may seem aloof when it is just that he is non-local
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and non-linear and cannot sufficiently act in a grosser arena
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of expression like the one that we enjoy. or, maybe not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Very sorry, Jen chérie, as I have said a few times lately, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> often fail to understand you, specially early in your descent
>>>>>>>>>>>> into grosser forms on Buddhist Usenet in 2002.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> People kept asking me what I meant (and what Buddhism
>>>>>>>>>>>> meant) in the famous expression: "unsupported thought",
>>>>>>>>>>>> "un-established mind". (Those are two common translations
>>>>>>>>>>>> for one single expression in Indo-Aryan dialects). I struggled
>>>>>>>>>>>> to explain, but then it dawned on me that you often used a
>>>>>>>>>>>> close equivalent in your inimitable English: "dwell specific",
>>>>>>>>>>>> which relates to the same basic meaning of "stay", "stand",
>>>>>>>>>>>> "remain", "stick to", "hang on to", etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <>>>>>>>>>>> relying on an appearance of individualisms in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>> extrapolate a clarity of focus which is dwell specific cohesive
>>>>>>>>>>>> to any particular agenda, or there can be a similar negotiation
>>>>>>>>>>>> due to the arena of what is seen as interconnectedness. one
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't appear to be anymore auspicious than the other
>>>>>>>>>>>> though. as long as what might be termed "depth of focus"
>>>>>>>>>>>> ensues then a deepening clarity can persist in contrast to
>>>>>>>>>>>> what gurdjieff called the sleepwalking public.>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <>>>>>>>>>>> zone that dwells specific to the momentum of the trajectory
>>>>>>>>>>>> of a given perspective, there can be a natural tendency to
>>>>>>>>>>>> resist anything that hasn't been completely explored
>>>>>>>>>>>> throughout the filtering schema of the comfort zone itself. this
>>>>>>>>>>>> enhances the stagnation of the trajectory momentum agenda
>>>>>>>>>>>> and can effectively hold the comfort zone in check when it
>>>>>>>>>>>> originally was formulated by the momentum instead of its
>>>>>>>>>>>> stagnation.>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <>>>>>>>>>>> causality and eternal subsequent consequence to a less than
>>>>>>>>>>>> contrived frequency, dissolved at least a dozen universes due
>>>>>>>>>>>> to dwell specific resonant drift, and held the vibrational
>>>>>>>>>>>> confinement of inter-sub-ratio aspect determinisms to their
>>>>>>>>>>>> least frequent usual-ness, and yet no one even blinks.>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <>>>>>>>>>>> collective one. where one allows a dwell specific point of
>>>>>>>>>>>> focus to gravitate is purely arbitrary. has anyone convinced
>>>>>>>>>>>> you that you need to see things from either view, or any other
>>>>>>>>>>>> admixtural combination of the two? and if you think that your
>>>>>>>>>>>> larger self, as you coin it, could be tunnel visioned by human
>>>>>>>>>>>> qualities such as anger, you may wish to dig a little deeper. or
>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe not.>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, what the "unsupported thought", "un-established mind"
>>>>>>>>>>>> means is a thought/mind that refrains from dwelling specific to
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything, itself included. It floats along with what happens, in
>>>>>>>>>>>> raft attention, but does not hang on to, or resist, any bit of
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> What happens is allowed to happen (and not blocked out), and
>>>>>>>>>>>> treated as clouds passing in the sky or water sliding off a
>>>>>>>>>>>> duck's
>>>>>>>>>>>> back. Samsara comes, fine, Nirvana comes, fine, they make no
>>>>>>>>>>>> difference to it. It takes all kinds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you again, Jen chérie, for your felicitous language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tang Huyen
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> oddly enough, for those who don't understand it,
>>>>>>>>>>> it's pretty much useless because they can't grasp
>>>>>>>>>>> its meaning, and for those that do understand it, it's
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much useless because they are already there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At least it shows poor Tang how he is supposed to think if he
>>>>>> wishes >>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> grow up big and awakened, unfortunately there might be too much
>>>>>> rebel
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the mix to permit him to comply with what is externally imposed
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> all been a waste of time. Or he awakens, and it's all been a
>>>>>> waste >>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> time. It's ours to waste, as the wasteland testifies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree that it's all a waste of time, the entire reality,
>>>>>>>>> since no amount of masquerade via the human disguise
>>>>>>>>> can tarnish one's real self, as such. the real you, the
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