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From: SpiritOfGodTheLordGodOmnipotent@HereAndNow.Net
On 11/7/2016 8:21 PM, noname wrote:
> Ray Of Heaven the Son of Man the Faithful & True
> wrote:
>> On 11/7/2016 7:03 PM, noname wrote:
>>> dagnabit wrote:
>>>> "Ray Of Heaven the Son of Man the Faithful & True" wrote in message
>>>> news:nvqo31$5k2$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/7/2016 2:00 PM, dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>> "noname" wrote in message news:nvqaga$ic1$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>>> "noname" wrote in message news:nvpo7a$frl$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "noname" wrote in message news:nvo4ho$542$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Tang Huyen" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:6623017b-35e1-7321-9055-a40c13163a0f@gmail.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/2016 9:14 AM, dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that certainly does seem to be what god appears as,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet if there is an understanding that as "we" made a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descent into grosser and grosser forms of physical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> density until we came to this glob of protoplasm, our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective falls dwell specific to that density and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels of lesser and lesser density may only seem to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a reverie of sorts and dripping with glossy attributes and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nowhere near our current comfort zone levels of negotiation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so god may seem aloof when it is just that he is non-local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and non-linear and cannot sufficiently act in a grosser arena
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of expression like the one that we enjoy. or, maybe not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very sorry, Jen chérie, as I have said a few times lately, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> often fail to understand you, specially early in your descent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into grosser forms on Buddhist Usenet in 2002.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> People kept asking me what I meant (and what Buddhism
>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant) in the famous expression: "unsupported thought",
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "un-established mind". (Those are two common translations
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for one single expression in Indo-Aryan dialects). I struggled
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to explain, but then it dawned on me that you often used a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> close equivalent in your inimitable English: "dwell specific",
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which relates to the same basic meaning of "stay", "stand",
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "remain", "stick to", "hang on to", etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>>>>>>>>>>>> relying on an appearance of individualisms in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> extrapolate a clarity of focus which is dwell specific cohesive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to any particular agenda, or there can be a similar negotiation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to the arena of what is seen as interconnectedness. one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't appear to be anymore auspicious than the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. as long as what might be termed "depth of focus"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensues then a deepening clarity can persist in contrast to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what gurdjieff called the sleepwalking public.>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>>>>>>>>>>>> zone that dwells specific to the momentum of the trajectory
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a given perspective, there can be a natural tendency to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> resist anything that hasn't been completely explored
>>>>>>>>>>>>> throughout the filtering schema of the comfort zone itself. this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enhances the stagnation of the trajectory momentum agenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can effectively hold the comfort zone in check when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> originally was formulated by the momentum instead of its
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stagnation.>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>>>>>>>>>>>> causality and eternal subsequent consequence to a less than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contrived frequency, dissolved at least a dozen universes due
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to dwell specific resonant drift, and held the vibrational
>>>>>>>>>>>>> confinement of inter-sub-ratio aspect determinisms to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> least frequent usual-ness, and yet no one even blinks.>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>>>>>>>>>>>> collective one. where one allows a dwell specific point of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus to gravitate is purely arbitrary. has anyone convinced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you that you need to see things from either view, or any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> admixtural combination of the two? and if you think that your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger self, as you coin it, could be tunnel visioned by human
>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualities such as anger, you may wish to dig a little deeper. or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe not.>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, what the "unsupported thought", "un-established mind"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> means is a thought/mind that refrains from dwelling specific to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything, itself included. It floats along with what happens, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> raft attention, but does not hang on to, or resist, any bit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happens is allowed to happen (and not blocked out), and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> treated as clouds passing in the sky or water sliding off a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> duck's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> back. Samsara comes, fine, Nirvana comes, fine, they make no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference to it. It takes all kinds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you again, Jen chérie, for your felicitous language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tang Huyen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> oddly enough, for those who don't understand it,
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's pretty much useless because they can't grasp
>>>>>>>>>>>> its meaning, and for those that do understand it, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much useless because they are already there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At least it shows poor Tang how he is supposed to think if he
>>>>>>> wishes >>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> grow up big and awakened, unfortunately there might be too much
>>>>>>> rebel
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> the mix to permit him to comply with what is externally imposed
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
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