XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   Tang wrote:   
      
   >Kant, The Conflict of Faculties, VII, 63: “Because if God   
   >really spoke to man, the latter however could never know   
   >that it is God who speaks to him. It is absolutely   
   >impossible that man should grasp the infinite by his   
   >senses, distinguish it from sensible beings and thereby   
   >recognize it [Denn wenn Gott zum Menschen wirklich   
   >spräche, so kann dieser doch niemals wissen, dass es   
   >Gott sei, der zu ihm spricht. Es ist schlechterdings   
   >unmöglich, dass der Mensch durch seine Sinne den   
   >Unendlichen fassen, ihn von Sinnenwesen unterscheiden,   
   >und ihn woran kennen solle].”   
   >   
   >Dry, intellectual talk, but easy enough to relate to. Just   
   >think of the uncarved whole.   
      
   When I think of an uncarved whole, a Tao appears in mind.   
   Tao does not make things yet things can be said to grow.   
      
   One emerges from, or is birthed, given: Tao.   
   Being arises from Nonbeing. There's nothing personal there.   
      
   When I think of God, Abraham's dude, with whom he talked,   
   and cut up some lamb or goat to dine with, someone shows up.   
   The dude shows up from time to time and at times abides.   
      
   To threaten what appears to be a man or three on the way to find   
   out if tales are true concerning two cities, with a knife, may   
   be done all in fun, until it isn't, if it's true.   
      
   If there actually was a fourth in the oven, along with   
   those three of Daniel's buddies, then there was.   
      
   Dry, intellectual talk is fine, and easy to relate to.   
      
   Some myths people take as being more real than others uttered.   
   Many people believe things exist as other than mere myths.   
   And many myths actually do.   
      
   Encountering an actual manifestation of some entity   
   in its most godly or ungodly form might make one a believer.   
      
   Kant had something he spoke of.   
   Moses saw and heard something he spoke with.   
      
   Krishna and Kali make a fine pair.   
   And then there's Shiva and Vishnu as two.   
      
   Atman/Brahman is a form of what some call true.   
   There's nothing personal about such poo or woo.   
      
   - siddhis and realities vary   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)