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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   Ned Ludd  wrote:   
   >   
   > "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
   > news:6a62b47b-feba-112a-aa5f-b5ebfb0684b3@gmail.com...   
   >> On 11/7/2016 5:36 PM, brian mitchell wrote:   
   >>> Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>> It looks too idealistic, for the sage not to be   
   >>>> bothered about survival. Of course the sage is   
   >>>> still bound to physical and social laws, but   
   >>>> otherwise not bound by anything, including   
   >>>> social norms and standards.   
   >>>   
   >>> Not bound by social norms and standards, but free to adopt them. After   
   >>> all, living has to take *some* form. Most zen masters continued   
   >>> to adopt the monastic form.   
   >>> But there's still a question.   
   >>> One time, the Master rose from his chair in the dharma hall, lifted   
   >>> his robes, and began dancing, saying to the monks, 'Look! Look!'   
   >>> When the astonished monks stared at him dumbfounded the Master said,'I am   
   >>> performing an action of the world without departing from the mind of   
   >>> Bodhi.'   
   >>> (the anecdote may be a bit mangled since it's from memory, but not   
   >>> horribly so)   
   >>> My question is: was the Master really dancing, the way young people   
   >>> dance in nightclubs, with intensity and absorbtion, with delight in   
   >>> the body and its allure? Or was he only imitating the outward form?   
   >>   
   >> You profess to want to learn Daoism, right? Load   
   >> up on ZZ, and loosen up from your uptight Catholic   
   >> straitjacket. Just remember: mindfulness is "just   
   >> look, don't judge". Doesn't Jesus say something to   
   >> the effect not to judge? If you invoke Japanese Zen   
   >> masters of WW II, they were acting in raging mob   
   >> psychology, to the glory of the Emperor, and did not   
   >> show mindfulness. The sage, to me (and I am not   
   >> qualified to judge), acts or does-not-act ad hoc,   
   >> without intention, and slips out of social norms and   
   >> standards (like above). ZZ is packed choke-full with   
   >> such non-conformism. JayLo offers us a surfeit from   
   >> the menu on a daily basis.   
   >> Tang Huyen   
   >>   
   >   
   >  The master was bored, tired of inane questions and   
   > blockheaded students.  His feet were cramping up from   
   > sitting on a three-legged stool for lecture, and blood clots   
   > were forming in his calves, so he did a little dance.   
   >   
   >  As for survival, there was hoeing of the vegetable garden, and   
   > planting trees for shade, for the benefit of future generations.   
   > He bothered about survival for the sake of his decrepit old   
   > body, which had kept him alive for the last 100 years.   
   >   
   > Ned   
      
   The below is an interesting translation, better in a couple ways than   
   Feng's maybe, is it your own or whose?  If yours did you work from the   
   original?   
      
   >   
   > The multitude is merry, as if on a holiday, or watching a parade.   
   > I alone am inert, like an infant not yet a child.   
      
   inert/balanced/unfettered   
      
   > Drifting, belonging nowhere.   
      
   nowhere/everywhere/wherever-placed   
      
   > Others have more than they need; I alone seem to have lost all.   
   > I am a fool, yes, and confused.   
   > Others are clear and bright; I am dull and dark.   
   > Others are clever and assured; I am blunt and obscure,   
   > Patient as the sea, drifting like the waves.   
   > Everyone is busy, I alone am aimless and uncouth.   
   > I am different; I take nourishment only from my mother.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
      
   Picky eaters get hind tit.   
      
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