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   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   brian wrote and asked:   
   > {:-]))) wrote about how:   
   >   
   >>Taoism may suggest uncarving, unlearning, forgetting,   
   >>and returning to a still-point within a center of a center.   
   >   
   >Which, of course, would also mean unlearning Taoism.   
      
   Once a technique has served its purpose   
   it can be returned to the chest it is kept within.   
      
   > Is it possible,   
   >in a practical living sense, to experience without any framework   
   >whatsoever? This would be Tang's "unestablished mind", but can one   
   >live in the fractious world that way, or must one lock oneself in an   
   >ivory tower for that?   
      
   With wu-wei, I'd say, yes, of course.   
   With ziran, again, I'd say, naturally.   
      
   When one is spontaneous, there is no thought involved   
   while one is involved in being spontaneous. I'd call it, wu-xin.   
   There are no second-thoughts occuring in the heart-mind.   
      
   People are in that dao-zone quite often, mostly all ways,   
   yet, being such a state, may not be aware of it,   
   to what degree they are in it, etc.   
      
   Before and after a so-called, event,   
   carved out of all the flowing wings of all events,   
   one might take a step in any direction, out of the river.   
      
   And then, invent paradigms for the making   
   of stories told to tell of tales for a spell in the telling.   
      
   One may cling to the definitions of the words used.   
   Or, see how narrow a mind is that defines them.   
      
   Some are camels attempting to pass thru an eye   
   of a guy making tents with a nose for getting under   
   standing in the shallow water making a splash.   
      
   Good walking leaves no tracks, it says in one place.   
   Tao-paths are made by walking, it says in one place.   
   They need not be mutually exclusive, in places.   
      
   Sitting, perfectly still, one may be.   
      
   - unconcerned   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)