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Ray Of Heaven the Son of Man the Faithful & True
wrote:
> On 11/7/2016 8:21 PM, noname wrote:
>> Ray Of Heaven the Son of Man the Faithful & True
>> wrote:
>>> On 11/7/2016 7:03 PM, noname wrote:
>>>> dagnabit wrote:
>>>>> "Ray Of Heaven the Son of Man the Faithful & True" wrote in message
>>>>> news:nvqo31$5k2$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/7/2016 2:00 PM, dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>> "noname" wrote in message news:nvqaga$ic1$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "noname" wrote in message news:nvpo7a$frl$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "noname" wrote in message news:nvo4ho$542$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Tang Huyen" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:6623017b-35e1-7321-9055-a40c13163a0f@gmail.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/2016 9:14 AM, dagnabit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that certainly does seem to be what god appears as,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet if there is an understanding that as "we" made a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descent into grosser and grosser forms of physical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> density until we came to this glob of protoplasm, our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective falls dwell specific to that density and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels of lesser and lesser density may only seem to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a reverie of sorts and dripping with glossy attributes and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nowhere near our current comfort zone levels of negotiation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so god may seem aloof when it is just that he is non-local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and non-linear and cannot sufficiently act in a grosser arena
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of expression like the one that we enjoy. or, maybe not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very sorry, Jen chérie, as I have said a few times lately, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often fail to understand you, specially early in your descent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into grosser forms on Buddhist Usenet in 2002.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People kept asking me what I meant (and what Buddhism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant) in the famous expression: "unsupported thought",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "un-established mind". (Those are two common translations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for one single expression in Indo-Aryan dialects). I struggled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to explain, but then it dawned on me that you often used a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> close equivalent in your inimitable English: "dwell specific",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which relates to the same basic meaning of "stay", "stand",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "remain", "stick to", "hang on to", etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>>>>>>>>>>>>> relying on an appearance of individualisms in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extrapolate a clarity of focus which is dwell specific cohesive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to any particular agenda, or there can be a similar negotiation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to the arena of what is seen as interconnectedness. one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't appear to be anymore auspicious than the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. as long as what might be termed "depth of focus"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensues then a deepening clarity can persist in contrast to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what gurdjieff called the sleepwalking public.>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>>>>>>>>>>>>> zone that dwells specific to the momentum of the trajectory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a given perspective, there can be a natural tendency to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resist anything that hasn't been completely explored
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> throughout the filtering schema of the comfort zone itself. this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enhances the stagnation of the trajectory momentum agenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can effectively hold the comfort zone in check when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> originally was formulated by the momentum instead of its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stagnation.>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>>>>>>>>>>>>> causality and eternal subsequent consequence to a less than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contrived frequency, dissolved at least a dozen universes due
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to dwell specific resonant drift, and held the vibrational
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confinement of inter-sub-ratio aspect determinisms to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least frequent usual-ness, and yet no one even blinks.>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>>>>>>>>>>>>> collective one. where one allows a dwell specific point of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus to gravitate is purely arbitrary. has anyone convinced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you that you need to see things from either view, or any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admixtural combination of the two? and if you think that your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger self, as you coin it, could be tunnel visioned by human
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualities such as anger, you may wish to dig a little deeper. or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe not.>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, what the "unsupported thought", "un-established mind"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means is a thought/mind that refrains from dwelling specific to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything, itself included. It floats along with what happens, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raft attention, but does not hang on to, or resist, any bit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happens is allowed to happen (and not blocked out), and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treated as clouds passing in the sky or water sliding off a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> duck's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back. Samsara comes, fine, Nirvana comes, fine, they make no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference to it. It takes all kinds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you again, Jen chérie, for your felicitous language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tang Huyen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> oddly enough, for those who don't understand it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's pretty much useless because they can't grasp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> its meaning, and for those that do understand it, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much useless because they are already there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At least it shows poor Tang how he is supposed to think if he
>>>>>>>> wishes >>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> grow up big and awakened, unfortunately there might be too much
>>>>>>>> rebel
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the mix to permit him to comply with what is externally imposed
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
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