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   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   brian wrote:   
   > noname wrote:   
   >> brian wrote:   
   >>> {:-]))) wrote:   
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   >>>> Taoism may suggest uncarving, unlearning, forgetting,   
   >>>> and returning to a still-point within a center of a center.   
   >>>   
   >>> Which, of course, would also mean unlearning Taoism. Is it possible,   
   >>> in a practical living sense, to experience without any framework   
   >>> whatsoever?   
   >>   
   >>Are you getting hooked on letters there?  Are we talking about   
   >>no-frame-whatsoever or no-frame-clung-to?   
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   >A frame may be necessary for the purposes of exposition, but where can   
   >we live?   
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   >(the space above reserved for noname's reply, should he choose to make   
   >one)   
      
   Excellent attempt at doing the impossible!   
      
   When a horse is led to water, he may or may not be thirsty.   
      
   I like very much living in what I call the day.   
   One day at a time works very well for me.   
      
   And yet, at times, all too often, plans are made and laid in shades   
   of green or blue or some other gnarly tree branching out   
   over time and space, which I call, life.   
      
   Being attached to the fruit of some action   
   can be called, being attached to the fruit and is, given   
   a paradigm a kind of thing to not get too all involved in with.   
      
   Being unattached can be called, transcending duality, going beyond   
   a cause-effect paradigm and being in watcher-acceptance mode.   
      
   Paradigms tend to have at least one use-age.   
      
   A no-self, Buddhist view, may release one from a Hindu-view.   
   Karma is vanquished as one enters nirvana without   
   ever leaving samsara within.   
      
   - all things   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)