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   From: meanmrmustard@gmail.com   
      
   "noname"  wrote in message news:nvse46$q31$4@dont-email.me...   
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   > brian mitchell  wrote:   
   > > noname wrote:   
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   > >> brian mitchell  wrote:   
   > >>> "{:-])))" wrote:   
   > >   
   > >>>> Taoism may suggest uncarving, unlearning, forgetting,   
   > >>>> and returning to a still-point within a center of a center.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Which, of course, would also mean unlearning Taoism. Is it possible,   
   > >>> in a practical living sense, to experience without any framework   
   > >>> whatsoever?   
   > >>   
   > >> Are you getting hooked on letters there?  Are we talking about   
   > >> no-frame-whatsoever or no-frame-clung-to?   
   > >   
   > > A frame may be necessary for the purposes of exposition, but where can   
   > > we live?   
   > >   
   >   
   > The framework of our lives within the manifestation is called our   
   > circumstances.   
   >   
   > One of the attributes of the sage, implied by what I read in TTC, is that   
   > the sage acts the same regardless of circumstance.  In a beer-hall,   
   > sitting   
   > on a lawn, behind a podium, in a shopping mall or a factory, the sage is   
   > constant and in harmony with Tao.  Not-initiating much, responding to   
   > everything, according to the inner nature of that sage and the flow of   
   > Tao.   
   >   
   > The frame is necessary for life like a stage is necessary for a play, you   
   > need a *place* where the play is staged.  The upper/heavenly/abstract   
   > realm   
   > is unmanifest, there is no stage to walk on within the realm of   
   > abstraction.   
   >   
   > Look around you, this is it.  Tales of angels singing praises in Heaven   
   > are, imo, remnants passed from mouth to mouth too many times to have   
   > survived the trek.  What was it Jesus said, something about the kingdom of   
   > heaven being all-around/close-at-hand, it's my opinion he was speaking   
   > literally of the abstract realm from which the earthly/manifest/physical   
   > universe arises in constant reinvention.   
      
   he was saying that the kingdom of heaven is at hand,   
   meaning that it is here and now and not some reward   
   after death, which is still what many believe today even   
   though he told them otherwise two thousand years ago.   
      
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    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)