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   "Ray Of Heaven the Son of Man the Faithful & True"  wrote in message   
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   > On 11/7/2016 4:49 PM, Ray Of Heaven the Son of Man the Faithful & True   
   > wrote:   
   > > On 11/7/2016 4:27 PM, Ray Of Heaven the Son of Man the Faithful & True   
   > > wrote:   
   > >> On 11/7/2016 2:00 PM, dagnabit wrote:   
   > >>> "noname"  wrote in message news:nvqaga$ic1$5@dont-email.me...   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> dagnabit  wrote:   
   > >>>> > "noname"  wrote in message news:nvpo7a$frl$1@dont-email.me...   
   > >>>> >>   
   > >>>> >> dagnabit  wrote:   
   > >>>> >>> "noname"  wrote in message news:nvo4ho$542$1@dont-email.me...   
   > >>>> >>>>   
   > >>>> >>>> dagnabit  wrote:   
   > >>>> >>>>> "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
   > >>>> >>>>> news:6623017b-35e1-7321-9055-a40c13163a0f@gmail.com...   
   > >>>> >>>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>> On 11/6/2016 9:14 AM, dagnabit wrote:   
   > >>>> >>>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>>> that certainly does seem to be what god appears as,   
   > >>>> >>>>>>> yet if there is an understanding that as "we" made a   
   > >>>> >>>>>>> descent into grosser and grosser forms of physical   
   > >>>> >>>>>>> density until we came to this glob of protoplasm, our   
   > >>>> >>>>>>> perspective falls dwell specific to that density and the   
   > >>>> >>>>>>> levels of lesser and lesser density may only seem to be   
   > >>>> >>>>>>> a reverie of sorts and dripping with glossy attributes and   
   > >>>> >>>>>>> nowhere near our current comfort zone levels of negotiation,   
   > >>>> >>>>>>> so god may seem aloof when it is just that he is non-local   
   > >>>> >>>>>>> and non-linear and cannot sufficiently act in a grosser arena   
   > >>>> >>>>>>> of expression like the one that we enjoy. or, maybe not.   
   > >>>> >>>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>> Very sorry, Jen chérie, as I have said a few times lately, I   
   > >>>> >>>>>> often fail to understand you, specially early in your descent   
   > >>>> >>>>>> into grosser forms on Buddhist Usenet in 2002.   
   > >>>> >>>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>> People kept asking me what I meant (and what Buddhism   
   > >>>> >>>>>> meant) in the famous expression: "unsupported thought",   
   > >>>> >>>>>> "un-established mind". (Those are two common translations   
   > >>>> >>>>>> for one single expression in Indo-Aryan dialects). I struggled   
   > >>>> >>>>>> to explain, but then it dawned on me that you often used a   
   > >>>> >>>>>> close equivalent in your inimitable English: "dwell specific",   
   > >>>> >>>>>> which relates to the same basic meaning of "stay", "stand",   
   > >>>> >>>>>> "remain", "stick to", "hang on to", etc.   
   > >>>> >>>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>> < >>>> >>>>>> relying on an appearance of individualisms in order to   
   > >>>> >>>>>> extrapolate a clarity of focus which is dwell specific   
   > >>>> >>>>>> cohesive   
   > >>>> >>>>>> to any particular agenda, or there can be a similar   
   > >>>> >>>>>> negotiation   
   > >>>> >>>>>> due to the arena of what is seen as interconnectedness. one   
   > >>>> >>>>>> doesn't appear to be anymore auspicious than the other   
   > >>>> >>>>>> though. as long as what might be termed "depth of focus"   
   > >>>> >>>>>> ensues then a deepening clarity can persist in contrast to   
   > >>>> >>>>>> what gurdjieff called the sleepwalking public.>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>> < >>>> >>>>>> zone that dwells specific to the momentum of the trajectory   
   > >>>> >>>>>> of a given perspective, there can be a natural tendency to   
   > >>>> >>>>>> resist anything that hasn't been completely explored   
   > >>>> >>>>>> throughout the filtering schema of the comfort zone itself.   
   > >>>> >>>>>> this   
   > >>>> >>>>>> enhances the stagnation of the trajectory momentum agenda   
   > >>>> >>>>>> and can effectively hold the comfort zone in check when it   
   > >>>> >>>>>> originally was formulated by the momentum instead of its   
   > >>>> >>>>>> stagnation.>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>> < >>>> >>>>>> causality and eternal subsequent consequence to a less than   
   > >>>> >>>>>> contrived frequency, dissolved at least a dozen universes due   
   > >>>> >>>>>> to dwell specific resonant drift, and held the vibrational   
   > >>>> >>>>>> confinement of inter-sub-ratio aspect determinisms to their   
   > >>>> >>>>>> least frequent usual-ness, and yet no one even blinks.>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>> < >>>> >>>>>> collective one. where one allows a dwell specific point of   
   > >>>> >>>>>> focus to gravitate is purely arbitrary. has anyone convinced   
   > >>>> >>>>>> you that you need to see things from either view, or any other   
   > >>>> >>>>>> admixtural combination of the two? and if you think that your   
   > >>>> >>>>>> larger self, as you coin it, could be tunnel visioned by human   
   > >>>> >>>>>> qualities such as anger, you may wish to dig a little deeper.   
   > >>>> >>>>>> or   
   > >>>> >>>>>> maybe not.>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>> So, what the "unsupported thought", "un-established mind"   
   > >>>> >>>>>> means is a thought/mind that refrains from dwelling specific   
   > >>>> >>>>>> to   
   > >>>> >>>>>> anything, itself included. It floats along with what happens,   
   > >>>> >>>>>> in   
   > >>>> >>>>>> raft attention, but does not hang on to, or resist, any bit of   
   > >>>> it.   
   > >>>> >>>>>> What happens is allowed to happen (and not blocked out), and   
   > >>>> >>>>>> treated as clouds passing in the sky or water sliding off a   
   > >>>> duck's   
   > >>>> >>>>>> back. Samsara comes, fine, Nirvana comes, fine, they make no   
   > >>>> >>>>>> difference to it. It takes all kinds.   
   > >>>> >>>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>> Thank you again, Jen chérie, for your felicitous language.   
   > >>>> >>>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>> Tang Huyen   
   > >>>> >>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>> oddly enough, for those who don't understand it,   
   > >>>> >>>>> it's pretty much useless because they can't grasp   
   > >>>> >>>>> its meaning, and for those that do understand it, it's   
   > >>>> >>>>> pretty much useless because they are already there.   
   > >>>> >>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>>   
   > >>>> >>>>   
   > >>>> >>>> At least it shows poor Tang how he is supposed to think if he   
   > >>>> wishes >>>> to   
   > >>>> >>>> grow up big and awakened, unfortunately there might be too much   
   > >>>> rebel   
   > >>>> >>>> in   
   > >>>> >>>> the mix to permit him to comply with what is externally imposed   
   > >>>> and   
   > >>>> >>>> it's   
      
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