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   Kitty P  wrote:   
   > "Ned Ludd"  wrote in message   
   > news:VP2dnd_kaNIV97zFnZ2dnUU7-X3NnZ2d@earthlink.com...   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
   >> news:ee518f0f-f3f1-e747-441c-c088dcb25f89@gmail.com...   
   >>> On 11/7/2016 7:06 PM, Ned Ludd wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> The multitude is merry, as if on a holiday, or watching a parade.   
   >>>> I alone am inert, like an infant not yet a child.   
   >>>> Drifting, belonging nowhere.   
   >>>> Others have more than they need; I alone seem to have lost all.   
   >>>> I am a fool, yes, and confused.   
   >>>> Others are clear and bright; I am dull and dark.   
   >>>> Others are clever and assured; I am blunt and obscure,   
   >>>> Patient as the sea, drifting like the waves.   
   >>>> Everyone is busy, I alone am aimless and uncouth.   
   >>>> I am different; I take nourishment only from my mother.   
   >>>   
   >>> DDJ 20, Ta-kao:   
   >>>   
   >>> Between yea and nay, how much difference is there?   
   >>> Between good and evil, how much difference is there?   
   >>> What are feared by others we must fear; Vastly are   
   >>> they unlimited!   
   >>> The people in general are as happy as if enjoying a   
   >>> great feast. Or, as going up a tower in spring. I alone   
   >>> am tranquil, and have made no signs, Like a baby who   
   >>> is yet unable to smile; Forlorn as if I had no home to   
   >>> go to.   
   >>> Others all have more than enough, And I alone seem   
   >>> to be in want. Possibly mine is the mind of a fool,   
   >>> Which is so ignorant!   
   >>> The vulgar are bright, And I alone seem to be dull.   
   >>> The vulgar are discriminative, and I alone seem blunt.   
   >>> I am negligent as if being obscure; Drifting, as if being   
   >>> attached to nothing.   
   >>> The people in general all have something to do, And I   
   >>> alone seem to be impractical and awkward. I alone   
   >>> am different from others. But I value seeking   
   >>> sustenance from the Mother.   
   >>>   
   >>> Classic Daoism, in pristine purity. Clear like a bell.   
   >>>   
   >>> "Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of   
   >>> Man has no place to lay his head."   
   >>> He said to another man, "Follow me." But he replied,   
   >>> "Lord, first let me go and bury my father."   
   >>> "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and   
   >>> proclaim the kingdom of God."   
   >>>   
   >>> This last part, let the dead bury the dead, shows   
   >>> unconcern, but has never been practiced by his   
   >>> followers, it seems. The part, the Son of Man has no   
   >>> place to lay his head, is taken by Madame Guyon to   
   >>> teach the un-established mind.   
   >>>   
   >>> Tang Huyen   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> There are always dead needing to be buried. Always   
   >> something undone, needing to be done. Always 20 more   
   >> years of practice before enlightenment. Or 20 more   
   >> lifetimes, or 20 thousand, or 20 million. I would agree   
   >> with the little brown Jew on that score, that now is the   
   >> moment that it should all be done. But he may not have   
   >> meant that. He may have just wanted the man to come   
   >> with him to spread the Gospel. Perhaps it was THAT   
   >> urgent at the time. The dead still got buried; the gospel   
   >> still got preached.   
   >>   
   >> Foxes have dens, but some birds don't have nests.   
   >> The cuckoo lays its eggs in other birds' nests. And   
   >> the Great Horned Owl uses the abandoned nests of   
   >> other birds. It all gets done. One way or another.   
   >>   
   >> Ned   
   >>   
   >> A good person is not aware of goodness.   
   >> A good person does nothing, yet leaves nothing undone.   
   >> A kind person does things, and leaves nothing undone.   
   >> A just person does things, and leaves much to be done.   
   >> A dogmatic person does things, and nothing happens;   
   >> so he pushes people around.   
   >>   
   >   
   > It's just that simple.  After reading teachings in Buddhism , Hinduism,   
   > Taoism, etc -  and arguing to justify ones dogma on usenet - isn't the truth   
   > of it to just then live? Maybe live with the happiness of cherishing life,   
   > suffering and all? Can people think their way to enlightenment? I don't   
   > think so - but then again, I'm not enlightened. Just happy most of the time.   
   >   
      
   Methinks it depends on what you mean by "think their way to enlightenment".   
    In one sense you can't, you can't do some specific set of exercises and   
   practice the bejesus out of it until it gives in to you, you can't force it   
   to happen by thinking about it really hard.  But in another sense, that's   
   the only way to get there, by thinking your way, because it happens when   
   the last tumbler falls into place, when the last piece fits into the jigsaw   
   puzzle, when you slap yourself on the forehead and say "Duh!" because it   
   should have all been so obvious except that it wasn't.  imo, fwiw.   
      
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