XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   {:-]))) wrote:   
   > noname asked:   
   >> Watson's CT has:   
   >>   
   >>> ... Yet the stupid believe they are awake,   
   >>> busily and brightly assuming they understand things, calling this man   
   >>> ruler, that one herdsman - how dense! Confucius and you are both   
   >>> dreaming! And when I say you are dreaming, I am dreaming, too. Words   
   >>> like these will be labeled the Supreme Swindle. Yet, after ten   
   >>> thousand generations, a great sage may appear who will know their   
   >>> meaning, and it will still be as though he appeared with astonishing   
   >>> speed.'   
   >>   
   >>Does "the Supreme Swindle" refer to, or parallel, the story of the   
   >>garden-of-eden and the telling of the one Lie?   
   >   
   >If someone cared to make it do that, sure.   
   >I'm uncertain how exactly.   
      
   Here's a way it could be done.   
      
   Use what I call a Hindu, dramatic, world-view.   
   It is able to encompass both the ceramic and organic models.   
      
   Taoism and Christianity can be blended, as Tang might like,   
   along with other eclectics and syncretists, or not.   
      
   In this scenario, there exists an Indra, called Tetragrammaton, who   
   considers Himself to be the Supreme Deity and creates a garden.   
      
   That's your basic supreme being   
   not knowing he isn't supreme sort of a situation.   
      
   Above and beyond this Indra/YHWH character is the Self/Brahman, who,   
   in its personal form is the same as found in each Atman, or in its   
   impersonal form can be called the same principle/core   
   or true self, of dagnabit's paradigm, maybe.   
      
   At any rate, in the garden story, you know the story.   
      
   Taken literally, it's a silly story. Not taken literally, as many   
   stories and sayings are not to be taken literally; what died was   
   the child-like innocence of the folks in the garden as   
   immediately their eyes were opened having   
   tasted the fruit of the tree.   
      
   In Zz's tale, when a great sage appears, even if it be after   
   ten thousand generations, it is as if it was yesterday, once a form   
   of the meaning is perceived and eyes are opened to the dramatic or   
   dream-like nature of how merrily, merrily, merrily a boat is rowed.   
      
   Each time one touches the bark of the tree, let alone eat its fruit,   
   one is expelled from the garden. One is no longer child-like.   
   One enters the tin-foiled life-death duality paradigm.   
   Good and bad are the lens thru which one   
   sees and experiences situations.   
      
   Taoism says, uncarve the tree.   
   Don't touch it. Forget about it. See the world   
   but not using that standard of measure.   
      
   The tree spells trouble in dream-land.   
      
   - hth, fwiw   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)